From:   shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:15:59 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Greek government on verge of collapse over austerity referendum
 

To adbusters: I hope Adbusters will NAME the image of the ballerina as

"Nemesis" and now i do love her!!!!! Nemesis dancing on the bull---

 

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

> This blog was written by David Harvey -- The Party of Wall Street

> meets its Nemesis

> (lol, i am loving the greek word "nemesis" here in the title--from wikipedia :

> In Greek mythology, Nemesis (Greek, Νέμεσις), also called

> Rhamnousia/Rhamnusia ("the goddess of Rhamnous") at her sanctuary at

> Rhamnous, north of Marathon, was the spirit of divine retribution

> against those who succumb to hubris (arrogance before the gods). The

> Greeks personified vengeful fate as a remorseless goddess: the goddess

> of revenge. The name Nemesis is related to the Greek word νέμειν

> [némein], meaning "to give what is due".[1]

>

>

>

> 2011/11/1 shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>:

>> Ευχαριστώ !!!

>>

>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Cancel the debt! This would require leaving the Eurozone, which would be a

>>> huge step, but there's no other way out of this crisis for Greek workers.

>>> Here's a great article on why Greece should cancel its debt and leave the

>>> Eurozone: http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=11815.

>>>

>>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:48 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Thanks Gabriel and Doug, for the clarification, but what is the

>>>> occupation and mobilization demanding--that is what i want to

>>>> know--and on everyone's mind right now--perhaps we need to do the hard

>>>> work of looking at what has passed in the assemblies what proposals.

>>>> What kind of measures against austerity are the people asking for?

>>>> This is what is missing in my mind---please forgive my lack of

>>>> knowledge ....

>>>>

>>>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:39 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>> > There is a lot missing Gabriel, I am just asking --posing the

>>>> > issues--what you call an economic slowdown, i would call economic

>>>> > asphixiation or a brutal shock....cheers, shai

>>>> >

>>>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com>

>>>> > wrote:

>>>> >> "unpopular austerity measures"

>>>> >> This does not seem like "New Deal" measures to me. This seems like the

>>>> >> opposite of that, and the opposite of what Keynes would prescribe

>>>> >> during an

>>>> >> economic slowdown. Is there something not in the article I'm missing?

>>>> >> --glj

>>>> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 1:12 PM, shaista husain

>>>> >> <shaistahusain@gmail.com>

>>>> >> wrote:

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> Thanks for posting this,

>>>> >>> The social democratic leadership PASOK party have sold out to the

>>>> >>> Troika and Greece really is on the brink of a revolution--it is also

>>>> >>> the weakest link in Europe. It is important that we understand why

>>>> >>> social democracy and why this Third Party has not been able to

>>>> >>> implement reform and structural changes for the people. Greece poses

>>>> >>> an interesting lesson--and those of us who think similar keynesian

>>>> >>> "New Deal" steps are a solution to our problem (*yes anything is

>>>> >>> better than what we have now*!!!!) but these "New Deal" policies are

>>>> >>> being rejected by the Greek workers, as these measures have not been

>>>> >>> able solve the economic crisis. What are the people of Greece

>>>> >>> demanding?

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>

>>>> >>> wrote:

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/world/europe/markets-tumble-as-greece-plans-referendum-on-latest-europe-aid-deal.html?_r=1&hp

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Government in Greece Nears Collapse Over Referendum

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > By NIKI KITSANTONIS and RACHEL DONADIO

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > ATHENS -- The Greek government was plunged into chaos on Tuesday and

>>>> >>> > faced an

>>>> >>> > imminent collapse, as lawmakers rebelled against Prime Minister

>>>> >>> > George

>>>> >>> > Papandreou's surprise call for a popular referendum on a new debt

>>>> >>> > deal

>>>> >>> > with

>>>> >>> > Greece's foreign lenders.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Power company customers lined up in Athens on Monday to ask about a

>>>> >>> > new

>>>> >>> > tax.

>>>> >>> > President George A. Papandreou's surprise promise of a vote on

>>>> >>> > austerity

>>>> >>> > measures threatens a deal reached to ease the European debt crisis.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Such a collapse would not only render the referendum plan moot, it

>>>> >>> > would

>>>> >>> > likely scuttle -- or at least delay -- the debt deal that was agreed

>>>> >>> > on in

>>>> >>> > Brussels last week, putting Greece on a fast track to default and

>>>> >>> > possible

>>>> >>> > exit from the monetary union of countries sharing the euro currency.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Analysts said that Mr. Papandreou's call for a referendum was a last

>>>> >>> > resort,

>>>> >>> > meant to gain broader political support for the unpopular austerity

>>>> >>> > measures

>>>> >>> > in the deal without forcing early elections that would only worsen

>>>> >>> > the

>>>> >>> > country's political and economic turmoil.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > But after weeks of mounting pressure, one Socialist lawmaker quit

>>>> >>> > the

>>>> >>> > party

>>>> >>> > to become an independent, reducing Mr. Papandreou's majority to 152

>>>> >>> > seats

>>>> >>> > out of 300 in Parliament, and another six Socialists wrote a letter

>>>> >>> > calling

>>>> >>> > on Mr. Papandreou to resign and schedule early elections for a new

>>>> >>> > government with greater political legitimacy. Together, the

>>>> >>> > developments

>>>> >>> > made it doubtful whether his government would survive a confidence

>>>> >>> > vote

>>>> >>> > planned for Friday.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Meanwhile, the center-right opposition New Democracy party on

>>>> >>> > Tuesday

>>>> >>> > stepped up its calls for early elections. Its leader, Antonis

>>>> >>> > Samaras,

>>>> >>> > has

>>>> >>> > opposed most of the austerity measures the government accepted in

>>>> >>> > exchange

>>>> >>> > for foreign financial aid. Mr. Samaras has said that if he were in

>>>> >>> > power, he

>>>> >>> > would try to renegotiate the terms of Greece's arrangement with its

>>>> >>> > principal foreign lenders, known as the troika: the European Union,

>>>> >>> > the

>>>> >>> > European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > "Mr. Papandreou, in his effort to save himself, has presented a

>>>> >>> > divisive

>>>> >>> > and

>>>> >>> > extortionate dilemma," Mr. Samaras said on Tuesday. "New Democracy

>>>> >>> > is

>>>> >>> > determined to avert, at all costs, such reckless adventurism."

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Mr. Samaras declined to say whether he would ask his 85 members of

>>>> >>> > Parliament to resign, a move that would lead to the dissolution of

>>>> >>> > Parliament and a snap election. The next general election was not

>>>> >>> > due

>>>> >>> > until

>>>> >>> > 2013, when the Socialists' four-year-term expires. Mr. Samaras is

>>>> >>> > expected

>>>> >>> > to clarify his stance at a meeting of his party's parliamentary

>>>> >>> > group on

>>>> >>> > Wednesday.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > European leaders have repeatedly dismissed Mr. Samaras's notion of

>>>> >>> > renegotiating Greece's deal with its lenders, saying that trying to

>>>> >>> > do

>>>> >>> > so

>>>> >>> > would be damaging and would throw away months of work on a plan to

>>>> >>> > keep

>>>> >>> > Greece from defaulting.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Mr. Papandreou's announcement of a referendum took Greek lawmakers

>>>> >>> > by

>>>> >>> > surprise, just a s it did political leaders and investors across

>>>> >>> > Europe.

>>>> >>> > On

>>>> >>> > Tuesday, the state television channel Net reported that even the

>>>> >>> > finance

>>>> >>> > minister, Evangelos Venizelos, had not been informed in advance

>>>> >>> > about

>>>> >>> > the

>>>> >>> > referendum, although he was aware of plans for a confidence vote.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Mr. Venizelos was taken to a hospital Tuesday morning, complaining

>>>> >>> > of

>>>> >>> > stomach pain. Doctors said he had an inflamed appendix. He is the

>>>> >>> > latest

>>>> >>> > in

>>>> >>> > a string of governing party officials to be rushed to hospitals in

>>>> >>> > recent

>>>> >>> > weeks. One Greek negotiator had a heart attack in Brussels last

>>>> >>> > week.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > On Tuesday, European leaders said the deal reached last week to

>>>> >>> > write

>>>> >>> > down

>>>> >>> > 50 percent of some Greek debt was the best available way to build a

>>>> >>> > financial "firewall" that would keep Greece's troubles from causing

>>>> >>> > a

>>>> >>> > damaging run on other shaky European economies like that of Italy.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > The political instability in Greece has long dismayed European

>>>> >>> > officials. In

>>>> >>> > a statement, the president of the European Commission, Jose Manuel

>>>> >>> > Barroso,

>>>> >>> > and the president of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, said

>>>> >>> > that

>>>> >>> > Europe's plans to protect other vulnerable members were "more

>>>> >>> > necessary

>>>> >>> > than

>>>> >>> > ever, without delay."

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > "We are convinced that this agreement is the best for Greece," they

>>>> >>> > added.

>>>> >>> > "We fully trust that Greece will honor the commitments undertaken in

>>>> >>> > relation to the euro area and the international community."

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > In Greece, Mr. Papandreou's referendum proposal seemed to be his

>>>> >>> > last,

>>>> >>> > best

>>>> >>> > hope. His political capital has dried up, and he faces intense anger

>>>> >>> > from

>>>> >>> > voters who have been squeezed to the breaking point by the austerity

>>>> >>> > measures demanded by Greece's foreign lenders.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > "Papandreou could not take more political punishment," said George

>>>> >>> > Kirsos, a

>>>> >>> > political analyst and the owner of the Athens City Paper. "We have a

>>>> >>> > strange

>>>> >>> > situation: Everyone's cursing the government, and everyone expects

>>>> >>> > the

>>>> >>> > government to do the job by itself -- to reorganize the economy, to

>>>> >>> > cut

>>>> >>> > the

>>>> >>> > deficit, to make a deal with the Germans -- but at the same time,

>>>> >>> > nobody

>>>> >>> > helps him."

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > "All parties and all media criticize the government," Mr. Kirstos

>>>> >>> > added.

>>>> >>> > "So

>>>> >>> > Papandreou, in a sense, tried his best to do the referendum to force

>>>> >>> > the

>>>> >>> > parties, the media and the citizens to undertake their own

>>>> >>> > responsibility.

>>>> >>> > The referendum is a yes or no issue: Either you are in favor, or you

>>>> >>> > decide

>>>> >>> > that you say goodbye to the euro zone."

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Charged by Europe with dismantling the welfare state they helped

>>>> >>> > create,

>>>> >>> > many of Mr. Papandreou's Socialist members of Parliament feel they

>>>> >>> > too

>>>> >>> > have

>>>> >>> > reached their breaking points.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Vasso Papandreou, a prominent member of parliament and a former

>>>> >>> > minister

>>>> >>> > who

>>>> >>> > is not related to the prime minister, called on Greek President

>>>> >>> > Karolos

>>>> >>> > Papoulias to order the formation of a unity government ahead of

>>>> >>> > early

>>>> >>> > general elections. "Bankruptcy is imminent," she said. Earlier this

>>>> >>> > month,

>>>> >>> > Ms. Papandreou said she would vote for a new raft of austerity

>>>> >>> > measures,

>>>> >>> > but

>>>> >>> > that it would be "the last time" she supported the government

>>>> >>> > unconditionally.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > "The current government has none of these necessary prerequisites.

>>>> >>> > Today's

>>>> >>> > government policy is asphyxiating. Day by day the country is

>>>> >>> > experiencing

>>>> >>> > collapse, lawlessness and absence of government," they added.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > If Mr. Papandreou's government falls, it would not be the first one

>>>> >>> > in

>>>> >>> > Europe to be toppled by the austerity demanded by European debt

>>>> >>> > relief.

>>>> >>> > In

>>>> >>> > Ireland and Portuga,l governments that accepted bailouts from the

>>>> >>> > European

>>>> >>> > Union and the International Monetary Fund fell, and last month the

>>>> >>> > Slovakian

>>>> >>> > government fell over whether to participate in the European Union's

>>>> >>> > rescue

>>>> >>> > package.

>>>> >>> >

>>>> >>> > Niki Kitsantonis reported from Athens and Rachel Donadio from Rome.

>>>> >>> > Stephen

>>>> >>> > Castle contributed reporting from Brussels.

>>>> >>

>>>> >>

>>>> >

>>>

>>>

>>

>

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