From:   Lauren <>
Sent time:   Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:44:00 PM
To:   september17 <>
Subject:   [september17discuss] Re: way cool infographic on the demographics of OWS,

What about you listen for once.


- This is an unscientific survey of visitors to the website, based on

people who filled out the survey, not a census of the entire movement.

It uses census categories, which, yes, means that italians, irish,

english, jews, french, poles, russians, germans, caucasians (the real

deal), turks, arabs, etc are listed as white (with "hispanic whites"

being distinguished because the census also does this distinction), it

was a very quickly set up poll. We could redo it with a wider

ethnicity category, but this is America, I doubt it would change a

thing with how people self-identify in this country (who knows, I'd

actually be interested, I know my university survey sheets actually

have about 200 ethnicity options on that question)

- If you're going to lash out at Grim for being white, then you're on

really thin ground, because as an arab, you're also considered white

in the country, by census returns.

- If anything, it does show we might need to work much closer with

groups like occupy the hood, something that's really fucking important

to know.