From:   Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:32:34 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: way cool infographic on the demographics of OWS,
 

I think one of the big parts of Shaista's argument is that putting this data into a sexy infographic implies that we're proud of what this says about us.

I understand that's not the way statistics and data presentation work, but I can also understand why people who don't deal with statistics and data all the time wouldn't see it that way.



On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Andy P <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote:
Harrison this is COMPLETELY unacceptable and you must apologize.
Please read Matthew's post on these issues.
Lauren: Don't assume an Arabic or Muslim-sounding name means the
person is Arab. (This, by the way, is important for us to educate
ourselves on given that similar stereotypical assumptions surfaced
with the AP revelation that part of the NYPD/CIA collaboration in
surveilling the Muslim community is to track people who have "Arab-
sounding" or "Muslim-sounding" names and who have changed them to
"American-sounding" names or vice versa.)
Hint: some of these supposedly Arab names are in fact South Asian or
Malaysian or whatever...

On Nov 3, 12:23 am, Harrison Schultz <schuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob - Yeah, the graphic doesn't seem intended to display any relationships
> between the variables it's a great and incredibly useful way to see the
> toplines of the data set.  It'll be far more interesting for me to watch
> the shapes on this change than it is for me to read my own reports,
> assuming we can get the same graph for each set we collect.  I appreciate
> your scrutiny.  Feel free to reach out if there's anything else you'd like
> to know or if this data can possibly be of any use for your purposes.
>
> Gabe and everyone else - non-random is not synonymous with unscientific.
>
> Shaista...
>
> Thank you for bringing this project to the attention of the People of Color
> Working Group, if there's anyone smarter than you on that committee than
> I'm sure that they will utilize it for efficient strategic outreach to
> non-white communities.
>
> (Thankfully) I don't think we've ever formally met, and I ordinarily don't
> pay any attention to anything you write since you clearly bring nothing to
> our collective struggle with society except for your irrational anger.  So
> why bother with lip-service about mediation?  I've been bored
> and irritable all day myself and I wouldn't mind a little practice.
> However I'd rather not spend what little time I have to enjoy sitting on my
> ass to deal with your silly bullshit, which happens to be far more racist
> than any information I've produced for OWS.  So how 'bout you just keep on
> telling me what a racist I am over this thread, and I'll do a better job
> of writing back a sarcastic and confrontational response in a more timely
> manner just so you can feel like you're contributing to the movement.
>
> You call me out but now you've been called out.  But now it's your turn, so
> let's play!
>
> Harrison
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thank you Lauren, me too, i don't want to be dismissed as angry and
> > attacking anyone--no one is trying to be racist here and i am not
> > accusing anyone, just the data is troubling to me.  I do have some
> > issues for concern which needs constructive mediation and positive
> > engagement. I am deeply sorry i haven't learned how to express myself
> > properly. i am learning and transorming in this process too, please
> > bear with me.  i will take this matter to the proper mediation so we
> > can speak to each other as allies and move forward with strength and
> > clarity.
> > peace
> > shaista
>
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Let me try to say this in a less angry way.
> > > - I am perfectly aware of eugenics and scientific racism. In fact,
> > > I've been involved in disability activism long enough to know the ins
> > > and outs of eugenics.
> > > - I am also sadly aware of the fact that a lot of america's population
> > > tends to self-define not by culture but by racial identities from this
> > > ideological basis
> > > - I am not defining america for you, if I could pretend that
> > > scientific racism hadn't left its mark on the country I would really
> > > be glad.
> > > - I have made no threats.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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