From:   rob hollander <>
Sent time:   Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:57:08 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: way cool infographic on the demographics of OWS,

It might have been more useful to release just the jobs, college, income and age data alone which show that it's the opposite of a bunch of unemployed kids: it's mostly people over 25, either gainfully employed, though underpaid, or trying to improve themselves in college, many of whom are both in school and working full time (at least 7% and quite possibly much more -- it's not explicit from the chart).

But the graphic as it is has no methodology, no background, minimal explanation, no example of the survey questionnaire, no effort to make any point with the data. I'd have to say the graphic qualifies as flaunting. 

Ah, well, the movement will survive. I'm with grim here -- learn from our mistakes and missed opportunities, but by all means let's keep moving forward together.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jon Good <> wrote:

On Nov 3, 2011, at 2:47 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:

> And here it is JUST AS I THOUGHT --the official release---the
> demographic data of OWS ---released by MoveON!!!! yes you guessed
> it--the same folk we were taking about
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:01 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
>> Thanks Grim- for calling me irrational. i think my writing is self
>> evident---please be the change you want to see in the world.
>> I still offer you some herbs for healing....
>> peace
>> shaista
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gwomyn <> wrote:
>>> I have published the email thread as a public document if anyone would
>>> like to read it: after Shaista sent me an
>>> invitation to meet I made a mistaken assumption. Regardless, I have no
>>> wish to engage with a person who has spoken to myself and others with
>>> such irrationality.
>>> On Nov 3, 11:50 am, shaista husain <> wrote:
>>>> Being defined as an arab, by Lauren, then told that arabs are actually
>>> I have personal
>>>> threats from Grim "privately" sent to me, which i shall spare at the
>>>> moment--and really really disturbing threats. Perhaps this is the
>>>> reason why i have been so "edgy" and emotional and paranoid, when
>>>> someone tries to silence you by threatening to turn you over to the
>>>> police:

Rob Hollander
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