From:   Sebastian Fernandez Giraldo <>
Sent time:   Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:07:16 PM
Subject:   Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: way cool infographic on the demographics of OWS,

As a latino immigrant I see the 6% and I just think "dang, we gotta

work on getting more people informed about it." It's probably

understated of the movement as a whole because it's the people who

visit the website and they tend to be white since they have greater

internet access.


On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jon Good <> wrote:

> That is true, but people tend to take sexy infographics at face value.


> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:19 PM, rob hollander <> wrote:


>> Fortunately, it doesn't say anywhere that the graphic is endorsed by OWS

>> or emanates from OWS or was done on behalf of OWS. I don't think any of

>> those are even implied. It says it's from a business intelligence analyst

>> and a Baruch prof.




>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:33 PM, <> wrote:


>>> How did fastcompany get involved in this?



>>> On 11/03/11, grimwomyn<> wrote:

>>> fyi-- the graphic was prepared by Fast Company, you can take it up

>>> with:


>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Harrison Schultz <>

>>> wrote:


>>>> I've started sifting through all of these replies, I'll respond once

>>>> I've had a chance to digest them all.


>>>> H.




>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:56 PM, <> wrote:


>>>>> A graphic containing data is supposed to give a visual representation

>>>>> of the data, and if it does not then it is misleading.  I can see putting it

>>>>> in a circle that is not a pie chart (although I'm not sure why you would)

>>>>> but the height of a bar that is near fifty percent should go nearly halfway

>>>>> up.  There must be a million ways to display this data in a way that is both

>>>>> pretty and informative.  Why opt for pretty over informative?



>>>>> On 11/03/11, Harrison Schultz<> wrote:

>>>>> Rob - Yeah, the graphic doesn't seem intended to display any

>>>>> relationships between the variables it's a great and incredibly useful way

>>>>> to see the toplines of the data set.  It'll be far more interesting for me

>>>>> to watch the shapes on this change than it is for me to read my own reports,

>>>>> assuming we can get the same graph for each set we collect.  I appreciate

>>>>> your scrutiny.  Feel free to reach out if there's anything else you'd like

>>>>> to know or if this data can possibly be of any use for your purposes.

>>>>> Gabe and everyone else - non-random is not synonymous with

>>>>> unscientific.


>>>>> Shaista...

>>>>> Thank you for bringing this project to the attention of the People of

>>>>> Color Working Group, if there's anyone smarter than you on that committee

>>>>> than I'm sure that they will utilize it for efficient strategic outreach to

>>>>> non-white communities.

>>>>> (Thankfully) I don't think we've ever formally met, and I ordinarily

>>>>> don't pay any attention to anything you write since you clearly bring

>>>>> nothing to our collective struggle with society except for your irrational

>>>>> anger.  So why bother with lip-service about mediation?  I've been bored

>>>>> and irritable all day myself and I wouldn't mind a little practice.

>>>>> However I'd rather not spend what little time I have to enjoy sitting on my

>>>>> ass to deal with your silly bullshit, which happens to be far more racist

>>>>> than any information I've produced for OWS.  So how 'bout you just keep on

>>>>> telling me what a racist I am over this thread, and I'll do a better job

>>>>> of writing back a sarcastic and confrontational response in a more timely

>>>>> manner just so you can feel like you're contributing to the movement.

>>>>> You call me out but now you've been called out.  But now it's your

>>>>> turn, so let's play!

>>>>> Harrison





>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, shaista husain

>>>>> <> wrote:


>>>>>> Thank you Lauren, me too, i don't want to be dismissed as angry and

>>>>>> attacking anyone--no one is trying to be racist here and i am not

>>>>>> accusing anyone, just the data is troubling to me.  I do have some

>>>>>> issues for concern which needs constructive mediation and positive

>>>>>> engagement. I am deeply sorry i haven't learned how to express myself

>>>>>> properly. i am learning and transorming in this process too, please

>>>>>> bear with me.  i will take this matter to the proper mediation so we

>>>>>> can speak to each other as allies and move forward with strength and

>>>>>> clarity.

>>>>>> peace

>>>>>> shaista


>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Lauren <> wrote:

>>>>>> > Let me try to say this in a less angry way.

>>>>>> > - I am perfectly aware of eugenics and scientific racism. In fact,

>>>>>> > I've been involved in disability activism long enough to know the

>>>>>> > ins

>>>>>> > and outs of eugenics.

>>>>>> > - I am also sadly aware of the fact that a lot of america's

>>>>>> > population

>>>>>> > tends to self-define not by culture but by racial identities from

>>>>>> > this

>>>>>> > ideological basis

>>>>>> > - I am not defining america for you, if I could pretend that

>>>>>> > scientific racism hadn't left its mark on the country I would really

>>>>>> > be glad.

>>>>>> > - I have made no threats.







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