From:   Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Friday, November 04, 2011 7:13:09 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: way cool infographic on the demographics of OWS,
 

Apparently you have indigestion. 
The way you and Grim confronted Shaista shows that you have no understanding about resentment, in the best case, in the worst case, that you are indifferent.
You have not considered the possibility of resentment, which does not need to be necessarily the case.
In any case, she had other intellectual points that have been also disregarded. 
Your graphic has generated a lot of confusion as it can be read by the comments.
I am confused myself and I have read this unfortunate thread in full.
Cesar

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote:
I've started sifting through all of these replies, I'll respond once I've had a chance to digest them all. 

H.




On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:56 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
A graphic containing data is supposed to give a visual representation of the data, and if it does not then it is misleading.  I can see putting it in a circle that is not a pie chart (although I'm not sure why you would) but the height of a bar that is near fifty percent should go nearly halfway up.  There must be a million ways to display this data in a way that is both pretty and informative.  Why opt for pretty over informative?
 
 
On 11/03/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob - Yeah, the graphic doesn't seem intended to display any relationships between the variables it's a great and incredibly useful way to see the toplines of the data set.  It'll be far more interesting for me to watch the shapes on this change than it is for me to read my own reports, assuming we can get the same graph for each set we collect.  I appreciate your scrutiny.  Feel free to reach out if there's anything else you'd like to know or if this data can possibly be of any use for your purposes.  

Gabe and everyone else - non-random is not synonymous with unscientific.   

Shaista...

Thank you for bringing this project to the attention of the People of Color Working Group, if there's anyone smarter than you on that committee than I'm sure that they will utilize it for efficient strategic outreach to non-white communities.  

(Thankfully) I don't think we've ever formally met, and I ordinarily don't pay any attention to anything you write since you clearly bring nothing to our collective struggle with society except for your irrational anger.  So why bother with lip-service about mediation?  I've been bored and irritable all day myself and I wouldn't mind a little practice.   However I'd rather not spend what little time I have to enjoy sitting on my ass to deal with your silly bullshit, which happens to be far more racist than any information I've produced for OWS.  So how 'bout you just keep on telling me what a racist I am over this thread, and I'll do a better job of writing back a sarcastic and confrontational response in a more timely manner just so you can feel like you're contributing to the movement.

You call me out but now you've been called out.  But now it's your turn, so let's play! 

Harrison         





On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Lauren, me too, i don't want to be dismissed as angry and
attacking anyone--no one is trying to be racist here and i am not
accusing anyone, just the data is troubling to me.  I do have some
issues for concern which needs constructive mediation and positive
engagement. I am deeply sorry i haven't learned how to express myself
properly. i am learning and transorming in this process too, please
bear with me.  i will take this matter to the proper mediation so we
can speak to each other as allies and move forward with strength and
clarity.
peace
shaista

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me try to say this in a less angry way.
> - I am perfectly aware of eugenics and scientific racism. In fact,
> I've been involved in disability activism long enough to know the ins
> and outs of eugenics.
> - I am also sadly aware of the fact that a lot of america's population
> tends to self-define not by culture but by racial identities from this
> ideological basis
> - I am not defining america for you, if I could pretend that
> scientific racism hadn't left its mark on the country I would really
> be glad.
> - I have made no threats.



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