|From:||shaista husain <email@example.com>|
|Sent time:||Friday, November 04, 2011 8:26:57 AM|
|Subject:||Re: [september17discuss] Re: way cool infographic on the demographics of OWS,|
It was not about resentment i don't have resentment--let me explain to
you--I actually believed harrison and grim made this racist graph,
they claimed, prior to this chart, I was under the impression they
conducted this research because they bragged about it previously.
Obviously we know now they did not because they couldn't answer any
questions about it, but they presented this data as if they did it.
So who takes ownership of this "official demographic" on MoveOn's "WHO
IS WALL STREET?"
i criticized the methodology three times before, each time harrison
and grim presented it: 1. it was about actual people at Liberty
Square, and 2. regarding "university outreach' for people of color
(*what a sack of cynical lies) Harrison and Grim team--so concerned
with lack of people of color representation! Wow. I never "called"
them out on racism the previous times i took issue with the
methodology of this "research" but when i saw this finished chart--it
was obvious to me it was totally fabricated, obscurantist and
illustrative of a lack of basic methodology and lacking any
understanding of how to present empirical demographic data. One quick
look at the top of the chart and the "81% white majority" is the main
point of this chart, everything else is a subnarrative to make it
appear professional. Not 80% no, its 81%. LOL> But i can't get past
the white majority bullshit because i need to know what this flyer is
for? --Lauren jumped in valiantly in its defense "it is not official"
its from internet feedback its unscientific--"this is america"
SO WHY IS IT PRESENTED AS A FLYER --SCIENTIFIC LOOKING-- CORPORATE
LOOKING pseudo-Census? The degree of propaganda here and manipulation
of data is just preposterous. No one even knew what the flyer was
for--harrison wanted me to take this "useful" information he worked so
hard at, to the PoC working group! It gets even more cynical--hey
guys, let's put some ethnic sounding professor's name to endorse this
and voila you have your "expert" and we can pass this off highly
complex academic research. Grim and Harrison and Lauren, the "experts"
and Gabriel joined in the frat club parroting off about my
I knew that i would be attacked personally because no one else here
seems to address racism or question it. Racist people simply do not
have the intellectual capacity to self examine anything, and by
revealing their own racism by calling the other person names you are
"irrational" Rob Hollander chimed in to give Grim the green light,
yeah shaista shouldn't have called anyone racist, as if he, a white
man, is a professional on racism too and he gets to decide what is
racist or not. Usually when i want to make an intervention i ask my
white allies to do it, for the sake of escaping the racist attacks
against me. As you know Cesar, i often just talk to you or someone
else because i know as soon as "certain people" will see my name they
will either go bonkers, be threatened like Grim, or dismiss me like
Rob. In the end, Grim wants to pretend she had nothing to do with
this--just talk to Fast Company. Well why didn't you say that from the
Such low honesty and such ignorance and mean spirited people --its
enough to make me want to leave. Yes Grim and Harrison you showed your
true colors. nasty people --what does it take a quick minute to say
hey, yeah this propaganda was for MoveON and we don't agree with how
this was manipulated, we agree with you shaista. NO --that would mean
they had brains for self reflection. They don't.
81% white majority is not the way OWS has identified itself or should.
WE ARE NOT MOVEON !!!! The framing of this kind of demographic data as
"super-cool" also illustrates total lack of intelligence. A corporate
looking chart without any anti-oppression agenda or any concern for
the accuracy or any sense of critical reflection about the information
is obvious to anyone with a high school diploma. Provide some
clarification before passing this information off as "official
looking" hubris. The authority with which they seem to accept their
authority shows the level of chauvinistic conceit and thuggery common
to a boys locker room. The refusal to acknowledge or see diversity is
racist. The total lack of concern about these issues is racist. The
dismissal of my contribution here is racist and finally the total lack
of accountability to nasty words and their inability to show any
reflection or correction is dangerous and racist. Racist people just
don't give a fuck--they will attack me because it is a way to hide
themselves from any scrutiny and pass off as "correct" YOU WIN GUYS
but anyone reading this thread can see who these people really are. I
don't expect them to apologize and Rob hollander has decided for all
of us, an apology is not needed. Rob, you simply don't get the kind of
hate and dismissal because you are part of the problem, as a white man
you are not targeted nor have any experience. So no i don't have
resentment, i am aware how ignorant and mean people can be and i am a
revolutionary so I am not going to stop fighting the racists. They
will either change or they will go down with the bankers and the whole
system. To me, having racist people in this movement is a bigger
problem than any other.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Winter Siroco <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> ...together and ignoring our internal problems and the insults that we
> inflict upon each other, and let's throw a few under the truck, some will
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, rob hollander <email@example.com> wrote:
>> It might have been more useful to release just the jobs, college, income
>> and age data alone which show that it's the opposite of a bunch of
>> unemployed kids: it's mostly people over 25, either gainfully employed,
>> though underpaid, or trying to improve themselves in college, many of whom
>> are both in school and working full time (at least 7% and quite possibly
>> much more -- it's not explicit from the chart).
>> But the graphic as it is has no methodology, no background, minimal
>> explanation, no example of the survey questionnaire, no effort to make any
>> point with the data. I'd have to say the graphic qualifies as flaunting.
>> Ah, well, the movement will survive. I'm with grim here -- learn from our
>> mistakes and missed opportunities, but by all means let's keep moving
>> forward together.
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jon Good <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 2011, at 2:47 PM, shaista husain <email@example.com>
>>> > And here it is JUST AS I THOUGHT --the official release---the
>>> > demographic data of OWS ---released by MoveON!!!! yes you guessed
>>> > it--the same folk we were taking about
>>> > http://front.moveon.org/who-is-occupywallstreet/?rc=fb.fan
>>> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:01 PM, shaista husain
>>> > <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>> >> Thanks Grim- for calling me irrational. i think my writing is self
>>> >> evident---please be the change you want to see in the world.
>>> >> I still offer you some herbs for healing....
>>> >> peace
>>> >> shaista
>>> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gwomyn <email@example.com> wrote:
>>> >>> I have published the email thread as a public document if anyone
>>> >>> would
>>> >>> like to read it: http://bit.ly/tPlXTw after Shaista sent me an
>>> >>> invitation to meet I made a mistaken assumption. Regardless, I have
>>> >>> no
>>> >>> wish to engage with a person who has spoken to myself and others with
>>> >>> such irrationality.
>>> >>> On Nov 3, 11:50 am, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> Being defined as an arab, by Lauren, then told that arabs are
>>> >>>> actually
>>> >>> I have personal
>>> >>>> threats from Grim "privately" sent to me, which i shall spare at the
>>> >>>> moment--and really really disturbing threats. Perhaps this is the
>>> >>>> reason why i have been so "edgy" and emotional and paranoid, when
>>> >>>> someone tries to silence you by threatening to turn you over to the
>>> >>>> police:
>> Rob Hollander
>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
>> 622 E 11, #10
>> NYC, 10009
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