On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Harrison Schultz <
schuh072@gmail.com> wrote:
> A quick pragmatic comment...I am less than pleased with the fact that this
> infographic, which I didn't make but still happen to think looks cool,
> doesn't clearly communicate that this is traffic on
occupywallst.org as
> opposed to actual occupiers on the ground.
>
> Shaista,
>
> I stand by my insult on your intelligence, having reconsidered your posts,
> just as you have stood by your assertion that I am a racist after far too
> many of my posts to this thread. Your deliberate attempts to misconstrue
> empirical findings from this research which don't happen to fit your
> preconceived and highly prejudiced notions of what you think this movement
> should look like are far more racist than anything within the findings
> themselves. I joined this movement precisely to oppose the sort of
> self-righteous willful ignorance you've demonstrate every time I've posted
> numbers because it's exactly the same sort of willful ignorance that enables
> Fox News and members of the 1% to deny climate change and rising
> unemployment rates. I'll grant you that there's no scientifically reliable
> definition of race, and that continuing to use the category on surveys
> ultimately perpetuates the spurious belief in racial categories among the
> general population. However I put out a call to meet, discuss a formal
> research and analytics committee and attempt to brainstorm of new ways to
> re-write that question (based on nationality), with the help of specialists
> on the subject of the sociology of race, which everyone including you
> ignored, which is precisely how I know that your accusations are based
> purely on spite as opposed to substance.
>
> I will not submit to moderation from any of the self-appointed moderators on
> this thread who seem to share your privileged belief that only white people
> are capable of racism, (which is just as false as your presumptuous
> assumption that I am white), since that would be tantamount to allowing more
> of your insidious racism to further spread throughout this movement. I will
> not continue to share findings from this research on this thread since its
> way more trouble than its worth. However I will remain on this thread in
> order to attack the basis of the privilege you seemed to have claimed in
> order to label myself, trusted colleagues, and random strangers I've never
> met on this thread as racists.
>
> Anyone who dares to persistently accuse me or any of my colleagues of being
> a racist on grounds as ridiculously incoherent as Shaista's should not be
> surprised to receive the full measure of my contempt in return for their
> efforts.
>
> I'll keep this up as long as I have to, unless of course you bore me in to
> quitting first. Your move,
>
> H.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Winter Siroco <
wintersiroco@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> ...together and ignoring our internal problems and the insults that we
>> inflict upon each other, and let's throw a few under the truck, some will
>> survive.
>> Cesar
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, rob hollander <
lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It might have been more useful to release just the jobs, college, income
>>> and age data alone which show that it's the opposite of a bunch of
>>> unemployed kids: it's mostly people over 25, either gainfully employed,
>>> though underpaid, or trying to improve themselves in college, many of whom
>>> are both in school and working full time (at least 7% and quite possibly
>>> much more -- it's not explicit from the chart).
>>>
>>> But the graphic as it is has no methodology, no background, minimal
>>> explanation, no example of the survey questionnaire, no effort to make any
>>> point with the data. I'd have to say the graphic qualifies as flaunting.
>>>
>>> Ah, well, the movement will survive. I'm with grim here -- learn from our
>>> mistakes and missed opportunities, but by all means let's keep moving
>>> forward together.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jon Good <
therealjongood@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...fuck.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 3, 2011, at 2:47 PM, shaista husain <
shaistahusain@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > And here it is JUST AS I THOUGHT --the official release---the
>>>> > demographic data of OWS ---released by MoveON!!!! yes you guessed
>>>> > it--the same folk we were taking about
>>>> >
http://front.moveon.org/who-is-occupywallstreet/?rc=fb.fan>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:01 PM, shaista husain
>>>> > <
shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Thanks Grim- for calling me irrational. i think my writing is self
>>>> >> evident---please be the change you want to see in the world.
>>>> >> I still offer you some herbs for healing....
>>>> >> peace
>>>> >> shaista
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gwomyn <
grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> I have published the email thread as a public document if anyone
>>>> >>> would
>>>> >>> like to read it:
http://bit.ly/tPlXTw after Shaista sent me an
>>>> >>> invitation to meet I made a mistaken assumption. Regardless, I have
>>>> >>> no
>>>> >>> wish to engage with a person who has spoken to myself and others
>>>> >>> with
>>>> >>> such irrationality.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Nov 3, 11:50 am, shaista husain <
shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> Being defined as an arab, by Lauren, then told that arabs are
>>>> >>>> actually
>>>> >>> I have personal
>>>> >>>> threats from Grim "privately" sent to me, which i shall spare at
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>> moment--and really really disturbing threats. Perhaps this is the
>>>> >>>> reason why i have been so "edgy" and emotional and paranoid, when
>>>> >>>> someone tries to silence you by threatening to turn you over to the
>>>> >>>> police:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rob Hollander
>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
>>>
http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/>>> 622 E 11, #10
>>> NYC, 10009
>>>
212-228-6152>>>
>>
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