From:   shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Friday, November 04, 2011 6:38:53 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Oakland police's open letter
 

Yeah--right and now this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/04/occupy-oakland-second-veteran-injured?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

 

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:19 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

> Nice, maybe getting that picture out a little would help.

>

>

> On 11/04/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Two reports on how Oakland protesters dealt with people vandalizing shit:

>

> 1. From the Silicon Valley Mercury News: "Meanwhile, at Whole Foods at 27th

> and Bay streets, a splinter group wearing all-black and face masks threw

> paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window before the

> larger crowd turned on them and forced them to stop. There were about 75

> people inside the store at the time. No injuries were reported."

>

> 2. http://yfrog.com/kkl0whbj

>

> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:46 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

>>

>> This article, and another earlier on the list has pictures, of bank

>> windows smashed.   I have also seen reports of a bonfire started on the

>> streets of Oakland.  These things invite police to get brutal and give them

>> the excuse they need.  I hope these are provocateurs because these things

>> can turn those on the fence against us real fast.  If any of you has

>> influence with Occupy Oakland, please urge them to isolate those that are

>> into destruction.

>>

>>

>> On 11/03/11, Jason<jasonfarbman@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Looks like the police weren't too confused about which side they were

>> taking:

>>

>> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1103/Occupy-Oakland-Tear-gas-arrests-in-early-morning-violence

>>

>> Occupy Oakland: Tear gas, arrests in early morning violence

>>

>> Occupy Oakland turned violent early Thursday morning as police corralled

>> Occupy Oakland protesters in Frank Ogawa Plaza. Some 60 arrests were made.

>>

>> Police in riot gear clashed with protesters in Oakland on Thursday, firing

>> tear gas to disperse demonstrators lingering in the streets after a day of

>> mostly peaceful rallies against economic inequality and police brutality.

>>

>> The confrontation, which erupted after midnight, appeared aimed at

>> preventing the protesters from expanding their foothold in the streets

>> around a public plaza that has become a hub for demonstrations in the

>> largely working-class city on the eastern banks of San Francisco Bay.

>>

>> More than 200 officers, some ferried downtown aboard buses, lined up

>> shoulder to shoulder and donned gas masks, then declared the crowd to be an

>> "unlawful assembly" and fired volleys of tear gas as protesters turned and

>> ran.

>>

>> IN PICTURES: Occupy Oakland and Wall Street

>>

>> A few activists paused to pick up canisters and hurl them back at officers

>> as they fled, while others threw rocks. One barricade was set ablaze after

>> the police first advanced.

>>

>> "This was peaceful until you came!" some protesters shouted at police.

>> Police later charged toward protesters with batons and more tear gas to push

>> them farther into center of the square, where activists have reassembled a

>> make-shift encampment forcibly dismantled by authorities last week.

>>

>> The latest unrest in Oakland, which shot to the forefront of nationwide

>> anti-Wall Street protests after a former Marine was badly injured in last

>> week's clashes, followed a day of rallies that drew some 5,000 activists at

>> their peak and shuttered the busy Port of Oakland but failed to grind the

>> city to a halt.

>>

>> At least one protester was carried away with an injury to his leg. Another

>> who had been arrested, his hands bound behind him, lay on the ground with

>> blood streaming down his face.

>>

>> Police estimated around 60 protesters had been arrested. Dozens of them

>> were lined up seated along a street curb in plastic wrist restraints as they

>> waited to be taken away.

>>

>> One of them, Adam Konner, 29, of Ann Arbor, Michigan, said he heard a

>> police announcement ordering "campers to move back to your tents," before

>> police advanced again.

>>

>> "I was trying to figure what they were saying. I was trying to figure out

>> if I could go back into the plaza," he told Reuters. He said he was suddenly

>> confronted by police who knocked him to the ground and placed him under

>> arrest.

>>

>> The anti-Wall Street activists, protesting a financial system they believe

>> benefits mainly corporations and the wealthy, had set out on Wednesday to

>> disrupt commerce with a focus on banks and other symbols of corporate

>> America.

>>

>> PORT CLOSED

>>

>> But a police force that had largely kept its distance during the day ended

>> up in a tense stand-off as most of the protesters had retreated to Frank

>> Ogawa Plaza, the large outdoor square next to City Hall that has been the

>> fulcrum of the so-called Occupy Oakland movement.

>>

>> One officer at the scene, who declined to be named, told Reuters police

>> had no plans to clear the encampment for the moment.

>>

>> On Wednesday evening, an official said maritime operations at

>> the Oakland port, which handles about $39 billion a year in imports and

>> exports, had been "effectively shut down."

>>

>> Protesters, who streamed across a freeway overpass to gather in front of

>> the port gates, had stood atop tractor-trailers stopped in the middle of the

>> street.

>>

>> Others climbed onto scaffolding over railroad tracks as a band played a

>> version of the Led Zeppelin song "Whole Lotta Love," using amplifiers

>> powered by stationary bike generators.

>>

>> "Maritime area operations will resume when it is safe and secure to do

>> so," the port said in a statement. A port spokesman said officials hoped to

>> reopen the facility on Thursday morning.

>>

>> The atmosphere at the protests turned tense well before police moved in

>> when a protester was apparently struck by a car in downtown Oakland.

>> Acting Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan later said the pedestrian was

>> taken to a local hospital for treatment of non-life-threatening injuries.

>>

>> Small groups were later seen in local TV images running through the

>> streets, trying to start small fires or climbing on top of moving television

>> news vans.

>>

>> At one point, several people appeared to force open the driver's-side door

>> of a news van, but after a few tense moments the door closed again and the

>> van drove away safely.

>>

>> Windows were smashed at several Oakland banks and a Whole Foods market,

>> with pictures of the damage posted on Twitter. Jordan blamed the vandalism

>> and unruliness on a small group he identified as anarchists.

>>

>> The demonstrations centered at Frank Ogawa Plaza, scene of a tug-of-war

>> last week between police who cleared an Occupy Oakland encampment there and

>> protesters who sought to return, and ultimately succeeded in doing so.

>>

>> Protesters, prior to marching on the port, had also blocked the downtown

>> intersection of 14th street and Broadway, where ex-Marine Scott Olsen was

>> wounded during a clash with police on the night of October 25.

>>

>> It was the wounding of Olsen, a former Marine turned peace activist who

>> suffered a serious head injury during protests last week, that seemed to

>> galvanize protesters and broadened their complaints to include police

>> brutality.

>>

>> He remains in an Oakland hospital in fair condition.

>>

>> Protest organizers say Olsen, 24, was struck by a tear gas canister fired

>> by police. Jordan opened an investigation into the incident but has not said

>> how he believes Olsen was hurt.

>>

>> IN PICTURES: Occupy Oakland and Wall Street

>>

>> (Additional reporting by Dan Whitcomb, Mary Slosson, Steve Gorman, Emmett

>> Berg, Matthew Ward, Bill Rigby and R.T. Watson; Writing by Dan Whitcomb;

>> Editing by Jerry Norton and Cynthia Johnston)

>>

>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> Alligator tears. Quan recognized her mistake in cracking down. Now she's

>>> shifted. It's for her now to crack down on her police employees and get them

>>> in line with her new program.

>>>

>>> The only response should be: Quan, tell your police to respect the

>>> occupation and your policies. They want to know the clear message? That's

>>> the clear message, that's the word from leadership, in case they didn't get

>>> it the first time. She should be encouraged to state that mistakes have been

>>> made, that she takes responsibility for those mistakes, and it's her

>>> responsibility to make sure that those mistakes never happen again.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> That's part of it, but at the same time they're claiming to be part of

>>>> the 99%, which is designed to make it seem like they're on the same side as

>>>> the protesters. I think this letter is first and foremost about them trying

>>>> to take some of the heat off of themselves and push it onto Quan. They're

>>>> venting at the fact that Quan sent them out there to crack heads and then

>>>> left them hanging out on a limb when it went bad. They either want to be

>>>> sent in to crack heads (probably their preference) and shut it down

>>>> permanently or not to be sent in at all. Either way, they want a position

>>>> they can stick to, not flip-flopping around and putting them in a conflicted

>>>> position. The part that's a ploy is the claim that they're on the same side

>>>> as the protesters.

>>>>

>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:15 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> A ploy?? It's a clear call for Quan to crack down on the occupiers: "we

>>>>> need real leaders NOW who will step up and lead – not send mixed messages."

>>>>> The "mixed message" was Quan's allowing the protesters back, along with city

>>>>> employees. The police want the city employees out so they can crack heads.

>>>>> What is not clear about this disgusting, anti-American, anti-mayor

>>>>> statement? The employees of the mayor -- as employees -- telling her how to

>>>>> run her city! If they were in the armed forces they'd be tried and

>>>>> discharged. F$%k them.

>>>>>

>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Individual police officers may be reformable, but the police force as

>>>>>> an institution is not, and no one who is currently a police officer can be

>>>>>> entirely trustworthy from our perspective because their job is to repress

>>>>>> us.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This letter does show that the authorities are highly disoriented,

>>>>>> however, which is a good thing. Every time they try to squash us and fail,

>>>>>> it stuns them a little and they get confused.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:38 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have to agree with Doug that it is a ploy, but it is still wild

>>>>>>> that they put it out.   I like how they call themselves the 99%.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 11/02/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Remember, these are the same people who shot Oscar Grant in the back

>>>>>>> and terrorize the Black community of Oakland on a daily basis. This is a

>>>>>>> police force known and hated for its routine harrassment and brutality. This

>>>>>>> letter is as much a political ploy as Quan's statement that she now

>>>>>>> "supports" the protesters. They are just running for cover because they are

>>>>>>> under fire. They do not deserve our sympathy or support.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Doug

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:19 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Is this for real???  Powerful stuff!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Liliana Gomez

>>>>>>>> <liligomez13@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>>>>>>> From: Patricia Rios <patricia.v.rios@gmail.com>

>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:52 PM

>>>>>>>>> Subject: Oakland police's open letter

>>>>>>>>> To: ocupawallstenespanol@googlegroups.com

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> An Open Letter to the Citizens of Oakland from the

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Oakland Police Officers’ Association

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> We represent the 645 police officers who work hard every day to

>>>>>>>>> protect the citizens of Oakland. We, too, are the 99% fighting for better

>>>>>>>>> working conditions, fair treatment and the ability to provide a living for

>>>>>>>>> our children and families. We are severely understaffed with many City beats

>>>>>>>>> remaining unprotected by police during the day and evening hours.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> As your police officers, we are confused.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25th, we were ordered by Mayor Quan to clear

>>>>>>>>> out the encampments at Frank Ogawa Plaza and to keep protesters out of the

>>>>>>>>> Plaza. We performed the job that the Mayor’s Administration asked us to do,

>>>>>>>>> being fully aware that past protests in Oakland have resulted in rioting,

>>>>>>>>> violence and destruction of property.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Then, on Wednesday, October 26th, the Mayor allowed protesters back

>>>>>>>>> in – to camp out at the very place they were evacuated from the day before.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> To add to the confusion, the Administration issued a memo on

>>>>>>>>> Friday, October 28th to all City workers in support of the "Stop Work"

>>>>>>>>> strike scheduled for Wednesday, giving all employees, except for police

>>>>>>>>> officers, permission to take the day off.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That’s hundreds of City workers encouraged to take off work to

>>>>>>>>> participate in the protest against "the establishment." But aren’t the Mayor

>>>>>>>>> and her Administration part of the establishment they are paying City

>>>>>>>>> employees to protest? Is it the City’s intention to have City employees on

>>>>>>>>> both sides of a skirmish line?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It is all very confusing to us.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, a message has been sent to all police officers:

>>>>>>>>> Everyone, including those who have the day off, must show up for work on

>>>>>>>>> Wednesday. This is also being paid for by Oakland taxpayers. Last week’s

>>>>>>>>> events alone cost Oakland taxpayers over $1 million.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The Mayor and her Administration are beefing up police presence for

>>>>>>>>> Wednesday’s work strike they are encouraging and even "staffing," spending

>>>>>>>>> hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars for additional police presence –

>>>>>>>>> at a time when the Mayor is also asking Oakland residents to vote on an $80

>>>>>>>>> parcel tax to bail out the City’s failing finances.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> All of these mixed messages are confusing.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> We love Oakland and just want to do our jobs to protect Oakland

>>>>>>>>> residents. We respectfully ask the citizens of Oakland to join us in

>>>>>>>>> demanding that our City officials, including Mayor Quan, make sound

>>>>>>>>> decisions and take responsibility for these decisions. Oakland is struggling

>>>>>>>>> – we need real leaders NOW who will step up and lead – not send mixed

>>>>>>>>> messages. Thank you for listening.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Please click here to unsubscribe from receiving public safety

>>>>>>>>> messages from the Oakland Police Officers’ Association. Thank you.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Rob Hollander

>>>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development

>>>>> http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/

>>>>> 622 E 11, #10

>>>>> NYC, 10009

>>>>> 212-228-6152

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> Rob Hollander

>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development

>>> http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/

>>> 622 E 11, #10

>>> NYC, 10009

>>> 212-228-6152

>>>

>>

>

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