From:   rob hollander <>
Sent time:   Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:38:52 PM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] An OWS Seminar on the Commons?

Too late, Shaista! -- you've revealed yourself as a card-carrying male chauvinist.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:29 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
Oh phew, our Snafu never fails us-already suggested two women!!! : Michael Hardt, Silvia Federici, George Caffentzis and Elinor Ostrom

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:22 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
These are ALL men --jeez---please please add some women economists
atleast naomi klein shock doctrine. Please folks more womeN????

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:19 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
Sorry i forgot to add Anwar Sheikh to the list of three worlds theory as Jackie suggested.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:09 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
Thanks for this video ---Hardt and Negri are in the marxist camp, but also have a few economist, just as famous--we should have a wide spectrum of dialogue--a dialogical relational and dialectical approach to questions of the Commons and Critique of Imperialism.
Some economists that exchange and share ideas --i would like to see present here
David Harvey from CUNY
Paul Mattick Jr
Alex Callinicos

Also perhaps RJ, should suggest some economists since he has been posting quite a bit from three worlds theory
Aijaz Ahmed
Vijay Prashad

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Vicente Rubio <> wrote:
The video I just sent is in Spanish, no subtitles, sorry. Well, and a bit of Italian, when Negri speaks :)

2011/11/10 Vicente Rubio <>
While reading the messages I remembered a recent event on the 15M movement with Hardt and Negri that took place in Spain a few weeks ago. I specially liked the format. Instead of them giving a talk, they formulated some questions. The the audience discussed and answered those question, and only at the end of the meeting Hardt and Negri shared their conclussions.

This is the first part out of 5.

Just as suggestion for the discussion on possible formats.

Next meeting of the Empowerment and Education WG is tomorrow. Should I present some kind of initiative concerning this? Not that this is going to belong to that specific WG, but just maybe present the idea and asked for people interested on this project. Would this be a good idea? Let me know what you think.

2011/11/10 <>

Maybe we need a 'Commons Committee' to work the idea out in greater detail?
On 11/10/11, shaista husain<> wrote:
I very much love the way Snafu has suggested this to be forum towards action and concrete proposals. I would further add that what comes out of such a forum be further passed along for endorsments by other occupations, perhaps allowing these collective proposals to be examined by environmental, lawmakers, policymakers, community activists, civil groups, labor groups, undocumented workers, immigrant groups, coalitions representing progressive change. THis is coalition building that can come together through mutual sharing of information in a way that we encourage the movement to grow rather than impose our "demands" upon the world perhaps a better word is "charter" and we act within our principles of solidarity, allowing these proposals to a "living document" as we have attempted of all our declarations--atleast in theory.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Snafu <> wrote:
Thank you all for the amazing feedback. And Vicente, of course we should heavily involve Empowerment and Education in this.

I think we should take our time to organize it. Actually, it would be interesting to structure it not as a seminar, but as a forum in which we invite our experts to answer specific political questions we have discussed in advance. We should also establish a specific outcome--such as producing a document containing a series of concrete proposals.

Here are some preliminary questions we could ask:

--What are existing models of commons that work and offer themselves as models and which ones don't. (For instance, we could invite speakers from Cochabamba, Bolivia to ask them how they manage the water in common)

--What are the major political obstacles to reclaiming some resources as commons?

--Is it possible to think of a national and international campaign to reclaim the ground waters as commons? If so, how can we organize it? What other campaigns could be immediately related to it?

--Should we treat the natural commons in the same way as we treat the information commons? Does it make sense to think of information as over-abundant and natural resources as scarce? And what are the political consequences of thinking and acting along these lines?

Please add your questions and ideas!

On 11/10/11 2:22 PM, rob hollander wrote:
I hope on a Saturday afternoon when I'm free to attend!
And tape it, of course --

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
If the seminar can't be held at the Atrium, i would ask to please try to make it happen at Cooper Union--or CUNY, since free education has long been held as an important part of the Commons--the production of knowledge.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Vicente Rubio <> wrote:
This would be amazing! I'm sure people from the Empowerment and Education WG and the Nomadic University (an idea strongly based on ideas on the Commons) would be glad to help in this.


2011/11/10 aaron gemmill <>
Yes please!

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On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Snafu <> wrote:

> dear all,
> given the super-interesting discussion we are developing right now I was wondering whether this list would be interested in putting together a seminar on the Commons.
> We could invite theorists such as Michael Hardt, Silvia Federici, George Caffentzis and Elinor Ostrom, plus anyone interested from the OWS Working Groups to see whether we could set this debate in motion--i.e. use it for developing both a strategic vision and multiple lines of action.
> If there is a shared interest I can contact a few of them and see whether we can find an adequate space to hold the seminar.
> Snafu

Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
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NYC, 10009

Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009