From:   Snafu <>
Sent time:   Friday, November 11, 2011 6:54:49 AM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] An OWS Seminar on the Commons?

On 11/11/11 8:26 AM, wrote:

> why should our starting point be how OWS committees deal with the

> Commons?

Because the theme of the forum would be how to develop a concrete

politics around the commons. And the committees are an integral part of

the movement as they deal with very specific problems. This would allow

us to approach this issue from the ground up. It is a matter of using

the notion of the commons for composing differences not for

superimposing a theory from above.


> shouldn't it be how entire neighborhoods and industries, and the

> working class as a whole, will create a Commons once we get rid of the

> banks and corporations and their state?


I don't see revolution as a process that can be broken down in stages.

The politics of the commons is immanent to existing practices. It is

only by struggling for the commons on a daily basis that we can produce

a practical understanding of the Common in general. This is what the

movement is doing already so there is no *before* and *after.* We should

not idealize the capital-C Commons as it is extremely difficult to

manage small-scale resources (think of the very difficulties Zuccotti is

facing to manage itself) let alone jumping to large-scale solutions.

There is only one known infrastructure that can deal with large-scale

management of the Commons and that is the state. However, I believe we

are trying to build something different here, something that would

eschew the well-known shortcomings of a large-scale bureaucracy.



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> From: Snafu <>

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> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] An OWS Seminar on the Commons?

> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:52:57 -0500


> So for instance, how is Empowerment & Education dealing with the

> question of the Commons? And Urban Planning? And Food or OSS? I would

> try to decentralize these questions as much as possible. And invite

> the speakers on the basis of our needs and with the clear goal in mind

> of drafting a document-- perhaps something along the lines the Charter

> for Innovation, Creativity, and Access to Knowledge drafted by the

> Free Culture Forum in Barcelona (