From:   jemcgloin@verizon.net
Sent time:   Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:23:50 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Zuccotti park owner Brookfield gets hundreds of millions in "clean ene rgy" tax breaks
 

Yes, obviously solar should be close to free once its up and running, so that part would be a scam.
 
 
On 11/13/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
The article states that clean energy is going to cost more than fuel energy, it doesn't make any sense-"P.G.& E., and ultimately its electric customers, will pay NRG $150 to $180 a megawatt-hour, according to a person familiar with the project, who asked not to be identified because the price information was confidential. At the time the contract was awarded, that was about 50 percent more than the expected market cost of electricity in California from a newly built gas-powered plant, state officials said."
There will be a law that 33% of total will have to be clean energy, but it will cost 50% more than electrical, don't you see how this is a scandal and highway robbery--? Yes who pays for sustainable energy. Just like Monsanto Bill just signed by Obama will allow only allow corporate farms to buy gov't allowed seeds sold by them only.. killing local farming and heirloom seeds.
Anyway,
Shaista
 

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:57 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Yes, but usurious loans are bad and alternative energy is good.
 
 
On 11/13/11, acpollack2@juno.com<acpollack2@juno.com> wrote:
And if the banks find out they can be bailed out they'll keep making usurious loans.
Isn't that the same logic? 
 
---------- Original Message ----------
From: jemcgloin@verizon.net
To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Zuccotti park owner Brookfield gets hundreds of millions in "clean ene rgy" tax breaks
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:38:48 -0600 (CST)
I'm glad the alternative energy projects are being built and that these subsidies are not going to carbon projects for a change.  I think the government probably could have done these projects cheaper with union labor,  but this article shows that the stimulus did what they wanted it to do.  If these companies get these things built and find out that they are profitable, then they will be tempted to do more projects without subsidies.
 
 
On 11/12/11, acpollack2@juno.com<acpollack2@juno.com> wrote:
... as do GE, Goldman, Morgan, Google and others:
Note the repeated quotes about how they're getting huge loans and write-offs for no-risk investments.
Nationalize the energy industry! Public works jobs for real clean energy, not subsidization of profiteers!
And I should add as a p.s., anyone who thinks we can solve these problems by avoiding taking on these corporations and their state, by creating our own economy and society outside and alongside it, is guilty of criminal naivete.
 
 

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