http://www.tarekshalaby.com/2011/11/boycotting-scafs-elections-the-revolution-continues/

what do you say that?

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:

well it was a great job of telephone and misinformation

which is exactly what we dont need

her insertions of misinformation happened in the meeting too

saying ahmed had told her he was not interested in having ppl come for the elections - when she has not spoken to him in over a week

hyperbole is not helpful to say the least and discredits/delegitimizes you in the end you might get ppl to jump around a lot but that is just kind of abusive - take that to your leader and tell her that i will continue to call her to task over such tactic driven distortions 

WE have connections over there too she is not the only one - please check ego

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com> wrote:

Hi Cari

You're right, I don't believe we have met -- I'm with the media working group. 

The info I put out re movement-building and the timeline for an amendment came from another of our colleagues, Marisa Holmes who asked me to send it out to our group. She ran down to 60 Wall last night to speak to MB to try to buy us all some time on this. We spent all day yesterday talking with activists on the ground in Egypt and people active on the issue here to try to get a sense of where different people stand and what the possible role of a delegation could be, given the political implications.  Believe it or not there are many people, not just yourself, that are concerned about this. 

The best way for us to be able to make informed decisions is to inform ourselves and share information - I can tell you that I'll be sharing the information I have with my WG at our Tuesday meeting.

Marisa was present at the meeting last night when movement-building consensed upon the following timeline:

1. Wednesday eve - 1st Info session for all

2. Friday eve - 2nd info session culminating in consensus on either a new proposal or a friendly amendment to the existing proposal

3. Sat GA - Either amendment or new proposal will be taken in front of the GA, for consensus

If you still believe this info to be incorrect, pls contact Marisa so we can clear it up.

Best

Josh vP

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On Nov 14, 2011, at 2:28 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

ows is you

as for me i am in meetings and movement moving

direct action IS!!!!!

and i see victoria working her 'little' ass off livestreaming everything she can

these are not 'assemblies'

comparatives like timeline/linear likenesses are illogical when we are functioning in spheres - spiral cones - nodes non-linear models

 

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote:

and our model is take the square - they are taking tahrir on friday.  where is ows going to be? in another assembly?

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:

those are not the 'biggest concerns'

the biggest concerns have not been consented on yet

the deepest concern is FOR ME that we would be possibly legitimizing a shadow/junta government by being involved in an election process even though only peripherally

our model is our message - following our model is important

optics - who cares - not me - i care about reality 

   

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it's important to evaluate where information is coming from and separating what seem to be the two biggest concerns:

1) The political/optics implications in involving ourselves in this project

and

2) The difficulty working groups are having in selecting their representatives.

Just my $.02

-j

On Nov 14, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

listen when ever someone is using language like:

'Hopefully this will clarify some important details it seems are still unknown to many people in this working group and others.'

are you in our working group?

you do not know what i do not know 'still unkown"

i have never heard your name -

do i know you?

YOU are the unknown

your information is not correct here

we are working very hard and do not need people to put out misinformation

please check our website for ACTUAL minutes of meetings and details

++++i would appreciate a retraction of the information in this email ASAP++++++

i am not going to correct all the exact misinformation here

but i will say we are not presenting anything to spokes council -

spokes council is a still forming body and beyond that we only present proposals to the GA

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On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Alexander Penley <Alexander@penleygloballaw.com> wrote:

Perfect! Thanks all.

On Nov 13, 2011 7:12 PM, "Lauri Faggioni" <lfaggioni@me.com> wrote:

Begin forwarded message:

From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com>

Date: November 13, 2011 7:09:57 PM EST

To: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@me.com>

Subject: Egypt

Dear comrades

This Egypt delegation has fast become a very controversial issue, and it's clear to anyone who is a little informed as to the plurality of voices on the ground in Egypt, that a clarifying statement of the delegation's position on the upcoming parliamentary elections and possibly other matters besides, will need to be added as a friendly amendment to the pre-existing proposal.

The movement-building working group will hold an info session on Wednesday which all are encouraged to please attend. Hopefully this will clarify some important details it seems are still unknown to many people in this working group and others.

Movement-building will be taking the responsibility of crafting the amendment and will be taking ideas from anyone that wants to contribute.

On Friday, the friendly amendment will be presented to the Spokes Council.

In Solidarity

Josh

Joshua van Praag
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