From:   Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com>
Sent time:   Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:00:30 AM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   RE: [september17discuss] Temperature Check on N17 General Strike?
 

Very few individual workers will turn out without their union; workers function collectively or they risk punishment. Many more workers will become skeptical of us and whether we really understand unions as a result of such a call than will turn out.

 


From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gail zawacki
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:32 AM
To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Temperature Check on N17 General Strike?

 

I don't think you need to actually have an actual, real general strike to have the day be seen as a successful next step.  You just need turnout.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 to Jackie and Andy. A general strike would rock--clearly--but there's absolutely zero chance of it happening this Thursday. In the long term, I think it is very possible that the Occupy movement will lead to a general strike at some point. But before we get there, we have a LOT of organizing to do. If we're patient and determined, and we build links with the labor movement by supporting them when they need us (like they have supported us when we need them), then this may eventually be a possibility. But not yet.

Doug

 

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:21 AM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote:

Jackie's completely right. She and I are both active on the OWS Labor Outreach Committee. What we ARE seeing is many unions promising big turnouts for Thursday -- and after Bloomberg's attack on the park, these unions called for redoubling efforts to mobilize for Thursday.

The LOC has held actions with Sotheby's Teamsters, and have disrupted auctions there. On its last march against Verizon, the CWA held signs reading "occupy everything!"

The point being that Thursday is a golden opportunity to talk about what it would take to shut the city down. And to listen to the responses when we ask.

See the Times today, by the way, for confirmation that one reason Bloomberg acted is that he's scared of Thursday -- because he knows labor, seeing its own power, could easily go to more militant tactics. (The whole article, by the way, is a defense of Bloomberg's attack. Really disgusting, but surprising only in its open catering to him and its total disinterest in presenting OWS's side. But then that's the way they always do it when a crisis hits.)

 



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com>
To: <september17@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Temperature Check on N17 General Strike?
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:08:02 -0500

It’s good to beginning to start educating about the potential power of a general strike, but to actually call for it will make us seem out of touch with reality. Anyone who is touch with the unions or their members knows they are nowhere near willing to do such a thing. A call would just make us look out like a failure when it doesn’t happen. In the US, you don’t get any political strikes. The Bay Area longshoreman are unusual in this respect; they’ve held political strike since they sparked the 1934 general strike. That resulted in a Bay area labor movement that was much more radical than in NY. Still NO unions endorsed the call for a general strike recently in Oakland, and unfortunately none came forward to resist the 2nd eviction in Oakland. In NY, except for the transport workers, public sector workers, forbidden to strike by the Taylor Law, haven’t been willing to strike at all over their own interests. That would be a big step forward, and perhaps with the new support for labor that we have created, it will become possible. ��

 


From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Good
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:59 AM
To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Temperature Check on N17 General Strike?

 

I think it would be awesome, but I am not yet convinced organizing such a thing is possible in the space of 36 hours.  I would love to be convinced.

 

Solidarity,

 

Jon

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Dale Luce <daleluce87@gmail.com> wrote:

dancing fingers up high!!!!


On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:18 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm down with that!
>

> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Zouccotti <zoefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> History moves quickly. We should too.
>> Attached is a poster for an N17 NYC General Strike. Sparkles?
>> solidarity,
>> zoe
>

 

 

 

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