Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party movement?
From: lio spiegler
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:44:22 -0400

I just want to jump in here for a second. I think the analysis that
everyone made is invaluable but I feel that there is an even bigger
picture hiding beneath all those fascinating details. a root cause.
the government, the corporations, the media are all systems that
emerged from our consuming, self-entitled, society. as hard as it is
to admit it, those systems are reflections of our social values and
they work automatically to sustain these values.

The economy is a reflection of the connection between us. Therefore,
trying to fix the economy without fixing the way we relate to each
other is bound to fail.
Today, there's worldwide evidence—in the form of economic collapse,
political failure, and social unrest—that humanity is going through a
global change. As many experts are already seeing, the nature of that
change is that we are becoming so interconnected and interdependent
that the old systems are no longer working. This is why the current
economy, which promotes personal benefit above all, is no longer

Our interdependence has become a fact of life. But we, our way of
thinking and our values, are still locked in the old paradigm.
Therefore, the path to a viable solution must start from aligning
ourselves with the new emerging conditions: we must educate and
elevate ourselves to embrace our mutual dependence and responsibility
for each other.

Many researches have already shown the power of social influence. Now
is the time to use this power in order to lift ourselves from the
obsolete dog-eat-dog mindset, recognize the reality of an integrated
human system, and adjust ourselves accordingly.
We must work together, using media, the internet and every means at
our disposal to create a new environment that supports the new society
we wish to establish. Only then, we can come up with the solutions
that will bring about prosperity in the new world of interdependence.

for example, to continue what David ( was saying:
(We should publically invite politicians to come down to our home...
we, as the media group, can start "round table discussions" as a media
product. we invite our employed political reps, reps of the GA, reps
of workgroups, economists, apolitical experts, everybody, to come down
for open discussions we can broadcast to the world. it can start in
the park with relative ease and then exported as an idea to all other
protest sites.

just an idea.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Devin Balkind <> wrote:
There's no doubt that the mainstream media is working feverishly to co-opt
the movement and make us containable.

I think our secret weapon is solutions.  The tea party focused on criticism,
not solutions.  We aren't falling for that trap.

We're using the movement's momentum to create solutions that people want to
use such as a resource-based (instead of debt-based) currency system,
documentation that helps people use free/libre/opensource software, and
designs for hardware that are bringing manufacturing back to our country.
The more these solutions are used, the less our movement can be co-opted.

We're working on these solutions and more.  It'd be great if someone in
media was documenting this work.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Andrea <> wrote:

From an actions perspective, that means getting tactical, and mobile,
activating the rest of the city, executing higher-risk actions, civil
disobedience and arrests.

I agree and I want to focus on this.

I'm particularly interested in messaging. I'm a writer - I have
literally just returned from a 3 month 10 country research trip on
empowerment issues in 3rd world nations with a focus on human
trafficking and gender violence. This movement has been something I
have been dreaming about for over a decade. OWS needs to speak up in
response to the Democratic Party's attempt to co-opt what's going on
here and soon. If there is anyone who can steer me in the right
direction, I'd appreciate it.

For starters - I am starting to spread the word in the Manhattan
neighborhood that I live in. Other than that I need to be put to work.
I want to see us do something. An opportunity like this does not come


On Oct 12, 4:26 am, beka economopoulos <>
Here's the thing: our messaging, our strategy, and our tactics must
based on the external landscape.  When we become embraced by the
Party and its allies, we must go further than what makes them
 That's if we want to win more than concessions and easy reforms (*that
currently exist within the realm of possibility)*, and achieve
substantive/structural reforms (*that currently live in the realm of
impossibility*, that we didn't imagine we ever could see in our

We should aim for nothing less -- why aim for closing up shop soon when
have no idea what we're capable of?

Phase 1 = vanguard moves in, initiates occupation, largely dismissed,
staying power piques curiosity, and police misconduct/violence draws
attention and wins sympathy.

Phase 2 = vanguards in other cities recognize potential, initiate
occupations. At the same time, initial occupation gathers steam, grows,
large membership orgs endorse and give legitimacy that wasn't present
before, now the mainstream media start to change tune.  *Focus of
is human interest story of life in the park; and what do they want?*

Phase 3 = mainstream media interest explodes, NGOs, labor, community,
establishment orgs engage supporters, connect existing campaigns to
frame, amplify visibility and suggestion of social movement.  Democratic
leadership embrace movement, as do party-related and electorally focused
orgs. * Media coverage attributes power to movement, queries whether
it's a
Tea Party for the left, whether it will gain electoral power and
victories.   *

Phase 4 = ?

We currently find ourselves in Phase 3. Senior members of the White
administration, and the President himself, have expressed support for
Democracy for America, a Howard Dean initiated group just sent an email
blast to more than a million members tonight selling yard

say "We Are the 99%" with co-branded urls: and  OWS is embraced by the establishment as
means to amplify existing agendae.

Bloomberg gives tacit "permission" for our occupation, effectively
it non-threatening and normalizing it.  *Result is rise in media
coverage of
occupation as nuisance to neighbors.  *

This is a natural and necessary phase.  So now what?

We're in this for the long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be
presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where
presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather
normalized and integrated. It's in those moments that we have to push
envelop, pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as
can to destabalize, but maintain momentum. And when that's the new
then we go farther. That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain
the terms of the game.

From an actions perspective, that means getting tactical, and mobile,
activating the rest of the city, executing higher-risk actions, civil
disobedience and arrests.

From a media perspective, we have to get ahead of the game. We no longer
need to legitimize.  Or articulate the problem.  Both are clearly
established.  So, given this new moment how can we use media

We must draw a line, disavow the Democrats explicitly, make our
messaging a
little uncomfortable.  Yes, perhaps, split the support, lest we not be
co-opted. This will be painful, internally, as it won't always achieve
comfortable consensus.  But to hold this space and expand the realm of
possibility, we have to go farther than others are ready to go.  It's
this started and we can't be too shy to be bold.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:43 PM, William Dobbs

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Savants – idiots and otherwise—say the Democratic Party operates a
and well-known junkyard for social movements. ****

I’d like to know more about the system that is in place to prevent it.

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*From:* [mailto:] *On Behalf Of *Ed Needham
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: Article: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party

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we will see a great deal of this sort of thing come along. every group
believes they can profit from endorsing or promoting ows or parts of
agenda, will.

especially politicians. and i think we have a pretty good system in
to prevent any iota of co-opting anywhere.

that said, it is a measured re-enforcement of our capacity to effect
immediately. when politicians start picking up your verbage and tone,
it's a
good sign.****

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Tyler Combelic

GA solidarity

Sent from my iPhone****

On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Patrick Bruner <>

Solidarity with the Novemeber 6th
on the White House would be a good way to spin on message and
the Pres and Obama.

Is this something that can be handled in house or should calls of
solidarity originate from GA? or other working groups? Before this
solidarity has mostly been handled through direct action in
with the principles of GA, which seems untenable given the rapid
expansion of the movement.

On Oct 11, 8:19 pm, Kira Annika <> wrote:
This is terrible. At least they point out why it's completely
hypocritical for dems to take us under their wing. Blech. Turn left,
Let's talk about this when we talk about messaging.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 11, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Mark Bray <>

Need to prioritize talking about this before it's too late. Since
are thought of has having no direction, these kinds of superficial
attempts by dems could sap our strength.

When I first wrote in defense of the Occupy Wall Street protests a
couple of weeks ago, I suggested that much of the scorn then being
expressed by many progressives was “grounded in the belief that
only valid form of political activism is support for Democratic
candidates.” Since then, even the most establishment Democrats
fundamentally changed how they talk about the protests — from
condescension and hostility to respect and even support — and The
York Times today makes clear one significant factor accounting for
this change:

Leading Democratic figures, including party fund-raisers and a top
ally of President Obama, are embracing the spread of the anti-Wall
Street protests in a clear sign that members of the Democratic
establishment see the movement as a way to align disenchanted
Americans with their party.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the party’s
House fund-raising arm, is circulating a petition seeking 100,000
party supporters to declare that “I stand with the Occupy Wall

The Center for American Progress, a liberal organization run by
D. Podesta, who helped lead Mr. Obama’s 2008 transition, credits
protests with tapping into pent-up anger over a political system
it says rewards the rich over the working class — a populist theme
being emphasized by the White House and the party. The center has
encouraged and sought to help coordinate protests in different

Judd Legum, a spokesman for the center, said that its direct
with the protests have been limited, but that “we’ve definitely
publicizing it and supporting it.”

He said Democrats are already looking for ways to mobilize
in get-out-the-vote drives for 2012.

Politico similarly noted today that “the White House wants to make
clear that President Barack Obama is on the same side as the
Wall Street protesters.”

Can that scheme work? Can the Occupy Wall Street protests be
transformed into a get-out-the-vote organ of Obama 2012 and the
Democratic Party? To determine if this is likely, let’s review a
relevant facts.

In March, 2008, The Los Angeles Times published an article with
headline “Democrats are darlings of Wall St“, which reported that
Obama and Clinton “are benefiting handsomely from Wall Street
donations, easily surpassing Republican John McCain in campaign
contributions.”  In June, 2008, Reuters published an article
“Wall Street puts its money behind Obama”; it detailed that Obama
almost twice as much in contributions from “the securities and
investment industry” and that “Democrats garnered 57 percent of
contributions from” that industry. When the financial collapse
exploded, then-candidate Obama became an outspoken supporter of
Wall Street bailout.

After Obama’s election, the Democratic Party controlled the White
House, the Senate and the House for the first two years, and the
House and Senate for the ten months after that. During this time,
unemployment and home foreclosures were painfully high, while Wall
Street and corporate profits exploded, along with income
In July, 2009, The New York Times dubbed JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie
Dimon “Obama’s favorite


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