Subject: Re: [NYCGA Internet] Anyone need some "real" work
From: Evan Wagner
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:20:09 -0400
To: "" <>
CC: "" <>

Ron et al.

Wow! We are all on the same page with the ideas for alternative sharing platforms- the permabank project is looking to expand into these kinds of realms, after we get the gifting element working... I'd love to get a chance to meet in person.



On Oct 12, 2011, at 4:09 PM, "Dr.Ron Suarez" <> wrote:

I am interested in eventually seeing a "jobs" working group come together soon after we get v2.0 of the new web site working. I've been meeting incredibly smart people here and I know we are capable of helping each other do compensated work in addition to the work we are volunteering for OccupyWallStreet. Compensation could be cash, but I want to see us experiment with alternatives, P2P currencies, bartering, etc.

"Jobs" is the most important issue for Americans in general. "Growth" defined in a sustainable way could include the exchange of services among many of the very talented people who are particpating in OccupyWallStreet. Many of us are underemployed and could be growing our "services" by collaborating with each other. I know someone who wants to create a game called Jobsville. In Farmville, people work hard to grow virtual vegetables. What if we had gamification of helping each other get jobs, not working for the man, but new kinds of work that is sustainable and produces "Thick Value" as described by Umair Haque?

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011, Margarete Koenen <> wrote:
> Drew, a better (more appropriate?) place to look for help might be, the website for the NYC WordPress meetup group. 
> Margarete
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Chaz Cheadle <> wrote:
>> Dang, why couldn't it have been for a Drupal developer. :+)
>> I agree that ways for self-sustaining/supporting our movement from within is going to become a topic of concern. FLO-yness will help us stay independent of corporate ties which is very important at this stage. As for a corporate model for different workgroups to support themselves- we should be very very careful with that model- I hear that, unregulated it can lead to... well bad things. The key is to keep all participants educated.
>> chaz
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Drew <> wrote:
>>> I was discussing the idea of working group "charters" with my SO the other day. Basically a group like "food" would set up a charter, much like a business, but their return to the "share holders" would be something like "feed all occupiers in Liberty Plaza"
>>> They would then function like any other business, manage their own money, raise their own funds, pay workers (based on a min/max wage set by the GA), etc. They would have to keep in the black, but wouldn't have to worry about turning a profit, only fulfilling their charter. I'm not well versed in history but I think this is basically the original function of modern corporations...
>>> On topic, I don't see an issue with making connections here, but I don't want this group to turn into a jobs board (there are lots out there). I know I breached the on-topicness of this board but it felt right.
> --
> Margarete Koenen

Dr Ron Suarez

President, Loud Feed (Ann Arbor + Brooklyn)
+1 415-935-1321

Music CMS Open Source version:

Social networking site we built for the American Association of Independent Music:

Our partner Toolshed promotes artists from the Beastie Boys to Sheryl Crow using Loud Feed: