Actually, this is a really good discussion and something I'm very
interested in myself. Not necessarily because Thorin, but the issue of
hierarchy in media or any other art form for that matter.
What I've learned from my 17 years of filmmaking is that, the fewer
the amount of people making important decisions on a project, the
better. If everyone from the gaffer to the production assistants try
to direct a piece, you're not going to get anywhere. The old, "too
many chef's spoil the soup" adage. Of course, filmmaking is a
collaborative effort, but there needs to be someone who is empowered
to make crucial decisions otherwise you will end up with bupkis
(yiddish word for nothing).
That said, before the occupation, I was on my way to the Bay Area to
try and start a filmmaking cooperative/collective. So, I am very much
interested in finding a working model that facilities the equality of
horizontalism with the efficiency of hierarchy necessary for filmic
endeavors. What I've come up with is the idea of a wheel. One which
constantly rotates in a way that enables people to play different
positions on different projects. This is very similar to what you find
in film school, where everyone is responsible to direct their own
project but crews on each other's films. So, you take a position where
you are empowered to make creative decisions, however that position
rotates depending on the needs of each project.
Maybe not the forum for this discussion, but certainly an issue that's
been on my mind. Very much open to people's input. Thanks,
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Vlad T <email@example.com> wrote:
the issue is 2 fold here Monica. first of all our movement is non
hiarchical. a hiarchical media group covering this with priveleged access
is definetly a problematic situation. secondly the issue is ownership.
what we make is by the movement for the movement. all our material is
creative Commons. thorin alone owns all material on his channel...
please respond and engage these. concerns
On Oct 17, 2011 9:38 PM, "Mónica López" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I'm sorry I think you should talk to Thorin before telling this to people
cos is not true that channel represent only his views since there's a lot of
people that livestream also with that channel like dwayne, hero or me since
the very first day....
2011/10/18 Vlad T <email@example.com>
I spoke to some people on thorins team today and encouraged them to have
a meeting and discuss the hiarchy issue. I think what will happen is that
either that group adapts the same principles or a number of people working
with him will be joining us in the near future.
On Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM, "Victoria Sobel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
we should definitely have a meeting about this- thorin has been on the
agenda for many days, he and his livestream channel are hierarchal and
represent only his views which to this point have been privately funded. he
isn't a part of this media committee formally, and has claimed not to be
responsible to the general assembly, this precludes him from general
assembly funding- his channel merely benefits from having a user name which
implicates being a part of the working group. his stream unfortunately does
not conform to any of the principles set out but the livestream subcommitee-
which to this point have been posted to this google group. we will finish up
our livestream primer and faq and have it posted as soon as possible. we
would like very much for this issue to reach some sort of resolution.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Lauri Faggioni <email@example.com>
I'm confused to. We should have a meeting about this. I'm not sure who
is doing what now.
On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Nicholas Isabella wrote:
What do you mean not part of the GA? I'm a little confused
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 17, 2011, at 17:35, Lauri Faggioni <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
Thorin, isn't with us for live stream. He is his own entity and does
not operate under the GA. So I'm not sure we should be sending people to
On Oct 17, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Abraham Heisler wrote:
We had a meeting today and Jazcer took minutes. He will type them
hopefully post them tonight. There were a lot of new faces, so we
introduced them to what was going on with media and asked them to
speak to David about photography, Thorin about Livestream, and
for edited content (OCCCUPY TVNY). There was no one there for
The issue of security and clearance came up and I suggested that we
discuss it with the general group at tomorrow's 5PM meeting.
I think that Tuesday and Thursday's 5PM meetings should be for
everyone in media to meet and decimate information. Important
issues should be brought up and discussed then and we should urge
newcomers not to attend as they may feel a little lost. The 11AM
meetings should be for new people to come and get plugged in. We
discuss more tomorrow, but those are my thoughts on how not to
new people away.
Mónica López Castilla
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