Dear Mr. Ron,
There is no need to be so harsh. Calling the sharing of information by our fellow Occupy'ers 'interfering' can sound rather arrogant and will only serve to turn people away. Until there is a better medium for sharing information or ideas this forum serves as good as any, and the more information we can spread the better. If the information is off-topic, we can politely direct them to a suitable group.
As to the discussion of tools and the technical side of the NYCGA website, this list is not serving that purpose very well. Most of the discussion seems to happen offline at various meeting places with little follow up or process input provided to the members of the list. Very little planning has actually been facilitated by this list as you may well know. Multiple attempts to foster discussions here on feature planning and development have been made.
Google Groups is a public tool and no one on it has any delusions or expectation of privacy. We are doing nothing illegal, promoting nothing illegal and I believe we have thus far exercised our 'critical thinking skills' by not publishing anything of a sensitive nature.
Are we not the builders of the site? Is not or should not the GA decide what content is published to the site? Perhaps our response to posts that are not strictly technical in nature can be answered with some information on where the poster can find a more appropriate audience. Where else can people wishing to post NYCGA minutes send that information, or shall we simply tell them the they're notes are not welcome as well?
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Dr.Ron Suarez <firstname.lastname@example.org>
This list is for planning the technical side of how we can use the Internet. By posting "off topic" messages you are interfering with the ability of other people to do real work for the occupy movement. This is the place where, for example, we should discuss the technical side of how to use tools and forum tools. Then, it is inside those tools or other Google Group lists where we should be discussing what we should or shouldn't do, where and when.
So, please have this discussion in another forum, where we can talk about whether you truly believe in the things you say, that I feel would hurt the occupy movement, or if you are in fact an outside agitator purposefully suggesting actions that would bring violence to a non-violent movement.
To all reading this: we need to exercise some critical thinking when something doesn't seem right. For example, Thomas Ryan, who is a member of a listserve being used to coordinate marches and protests
related to the Occupy Wall Street movement, and who has been forwarding
those emails to contacts at the FBI, the New York Police Department, and
the conservative activist Andrew Breitbart.
That would be #General #Strike!
2 days minimum!
We need to overturn the legislation prohibiting solidarity strike! (Fundamental right of unions and working people)
- On top of that: Corporations use eminent-domain to confiscate property all around the U.S. and the whole world . From Connecticut to New Orleans. From Hawaii to Toronto and Philippines. Also, OccupyWallStret is in very unique position. It doesn't represent mainly regional interests the way Madrid, London, Athens, Portland, Boston do.
OccupyWallStreet has deep, more than symbolic meaning to the peoples all around the world. The colonial oppression of Wall Street can be felt everywhere and we have responsibility to keep the square and voice their interests, - tangible improve their quality of life!
It is time to fight back.
It is time to appropriate the little piece of land from private ownership and declare it an AUTONOMOUS Region. One little park. Right in the heart of the Empire. If for nothing, think about all the repression and misery the elitist cause around the world in order to gain more profit. They don't stop in front of anything.
We have the duty to declare Liberty Plaza an AUTONOMOUS Region in the name of the indigenous people of the land from whom it was stolen. In the name of the all the buried slaves, Africans and African Americans under our feet. We have the duty to take the land in the name of all the children enslaved in the sweatshops. We have the moral duty to do it in the name of all the dead people and war destroyed countries for profits of natural resources and sales of weapons. We have the duty to do it just for the mare symbolic reason it would mean to all those oppressed.
Many countries around the world have autonomous regions where it is the people who are in charge of the land.
This country needs one as well - and really badly - in order to have true Freedom of speech, expression and assembly, and to symbolize the Real-Democracy!
Otherwise we are still occupying on the land and mercy of the 1%ers who own the little piece park.
Who's park is it?
WHO'S PARK IS IT ?!
Let's declare it AUTONOMOUS REGION and let the city and police know that they will be Trespassing on OWS property and against peoples will. We have popular uprising going on in this country (and around the world) and any of their action will be seen as a crack down on the peoples popular movement by the totalitarian-capitalistic regime.
Conditions has changed. It is time for people to be heard. We no longer need marching permits. We no longer ask for assembly permits which are after five days declined on ideological bases. We no longer ask and pay for sound permits.
WHO's PARK IS IT ?!
I as one of us, one of OWS am asking this issue to be raised tonight at the General Assembly by the facilitation, by the information wg, by the arts&culture, by the legal wg, media and by you and me. By all of us.
Please think about it and the implication of it on everyone in the future.
Please RT/discuss it with your group.
Sent via mobile.
From: Mark Faulk <email@example.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:57:01
Cc: <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: Inter-occupation Communication
This is Mark Faulk from OccupyOKC.
I PROPOSE A NATIONAL DAY OF OCCUPATION, WHERE WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE IN
THE COUNTRY TO TAKE OFF FROM WORK OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING AND JOIN
US FOR A SHOW OF UNIFIED STRENGTH. SEND A MESSAGE!
I also agree that we need long term goals, this is a movement, not
just an occupation. We should have an infrastructure put into place to
affect legislation through:
1. Qualified appointed committees who meet with congressional leaders
and state legislators, draft legislation, etc.
2. An army of occupiers who bombard targeted politicians, the media,
etc. to show our strength
3. A plan put into place for when the weather turns bad, so that we
continue with indoor town hall type events, etc.
4. National committees who help craft a platform with input from each
faction of the 99% (labor, students, elderly, disabled, veterans,
We at OccupyOKC would love to work with anyone and everyone to
implement these things.
Because Democracy is for Everyone
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:00 AM, margaret flowers <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> We agree and would like to propose a conference call with all of the
> occupations in order to start the process. We propose a call on Sunday late
> afternoon or evening eastern time.
> Thank you.
> In solidarity,
> Occupy Freedom Plaza
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> From: Alexandre Carvalho <email@example.com>
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:25:33 -0400
> To: Occupy Perth - Karun<firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Cc: Occupy NOLA<email@example.com>; Occupy Wall Street
> Food<firstname.lastname@example.org>; philip
> email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>; email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>;
> email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>; email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>;
> email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>; email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>;
> email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>; Margaret
> Flowers<email@example.com>; Margaret Flowers<firstname.lastname@example.org>;
> email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>; Michel
> email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>; Occupier X<occupierEX@gmail.com>;
> OccupyLA@gmail.com<OccupyLA@gmail.com>; occupylasvegas@gr
> email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>; email@example.com<firstname.lastname@example.org>;
> Subject: Re: Inter-occupation Communication
> This is what we need to prepare to do now:
> Phase 1 - Occupy.
> Phase 2 - internal systems of communication, accountability, transparency;
> build capacity to respond
> Phase 3 - Connect ALL occupations and start a true alternative to
> representative democracy: a "Direct Democracy Network"
> Humanization, Emancipation, Solidarity
> On Oct 14, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Occupy Perth - Karun <email@example.com>
> Much love and peace and ROCK!! from #occupyperth
> - Karun
> On 14 October 2011 18:20, Occupy NOLA <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> Much love and solidarity from New Orleans.
>> - Leila
>> On 14 October 2011 05:13, Occupy Wall Street Food
>> <email@example.com> wrote:
>> > Greetings from NYC! Keep up the great work, y'all!
>> > -justin
>> > On Oct 14, 2011, at 4:55 AM, philip august wrote:
>> > From: firstname.lastname@example.org
>> > Please respond to Joan
>> > Please forward far and wide:
>> > Hello Fellow Occupiers,
>> > We at the Occupation Communication Committee at OccupyLA are collecting
>> > as
>> > much info as we can about other occupy sites and need the participation
>> > of
>> > people like you to help us understand the situation at each camp. We
>> > want to
>> > learn from other occupations so that we may better ourselves. I have
>> > attached a PDF of how we are hoping to open communication initially
>> > (here is
>> > a link to the googledoc of the same file).
>> > We hope that with the work of dedicated people we can begin to amass
>> > enough
>> > info to explain the similarities and differences of each occupation, so
>> > that
>> > when a new occupation takes root it can be equipped with this knowledge.
>> > Please be sure to ask for permission to videotape any one-on-one
>> > interviews
>> > (get this consent on tape) and tell them that their participation is
>> > voluntary and becomes public information/oral history that may be used
>> > for
>> > academic, journalistic, and movement purposes. These interviews and
>> > field
>> > reports will be shared publicly through a creative commons license for
>> > anyone to use.
>> > Best,
>> > Occupy In Solidarity
>> > Revolution Music
>> > http://www.reverbnation.com/thejulianday
Dr Ron Suarez
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