Subject: Re: [Ows_solutions] [NYCGA Internet] **Permabank Team Congealing**
From: fragro
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:15:03 -0500


I know the permabank team has already congealed around Drupal, but considering you are a python/Django deve I thought I would give you a heads up about another project that is now focused on OWS.

I have been working on Open Assembly for almost 2 years and am headed to NY next week to help adapt it for OWS as a solution for a national voting platform. It's based in Python/Django/AppEngine, and we have a homemade AJAX Caching solution and Template language that makes extending the framework quite easy.

Like your project, my docs are a bit out of date. I have been working hard getting the features that have been requested by OWS. But I would love some help with the project and I feel like it satisfies a need for the movement that cannot be accomplished by ad-hoc development and requires a long-term design and development solution.

If you are interested let me know, I can get the docs/repo up to date and throw together a quick "how to extend OA" tutorial for you.

Frank Grove

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Ori Livneh <> wrote:
I improved documentation and released the code under GPLv3.

It'd be great to form a consensus regarding the viability of this app for future efforts. To that end, I'm happy to answer any questions. I'm also going to try and make it to the meeting tonight.

Ori Livneh

On Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ori Livneh wrote:

Hey guys,

I'd be ecstatic if you guys wanted to continue building on what I currently have up.

Marc: Devin showed me the wireframes on Sunday. I think they look awesome! It would be a very exciting product to build.

Dan: Flask is a very minimal interface between the Jinja2 templating system and Werkzeug, both of which are used widely in production. The data store behind the app I set up is redis, which scales very well. FWIW, I'm a Django developer by day, and I've been very impressed with Flask's leanness and speed.

Chaz: The source is up on GitHub here: I'll be adding comments throughout the day. I'm not familiar with aegir, but happy to take look.

Let me know what you guys think!

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Eric <> wrote:
That looks great.

Looking at that example there's something else we've been forgetting.


Every Occupy site should have it.


On Thu 20 Oct 2011 10:40:03 AM EDT, Daniel Goldin wrote:
> It looks good! I prefer Python to PHP and feel it might be easier to
> work with especially with a larger group. A concern I have is that
> Flask is pretty new and I'm not sure if it's been tested on large
> production systems with large loads. Ori - do you have any thoughts on
> that?
> -Dan
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Marc Schaffner-Gurney
> < <>> wrote:
>     Ori, looks great! I'm working on UX design for the Permabank and
>     already came up with a set of
>     wireframes
>     I'm thinking that since you already did the work to get this up
>     and running it might be easier for us to build on what you've done
>     and turn that into the Permabank.
>     Permabank team, thoughts?
>     -Marc
>     On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Ori Livneh <
>     <>> wrote:
>         Hey guys,
>         I don't suppose I could persuade you to develop in Python? For
>         the past few days I've been working on building a gift / skill
>         exchange site for OWS. I built an app (called Marcel) which is
>         close to being ready for deployment. You can demo it here:
> The code is up on GitHub at
>         I'm sorry to leap out of the woodwork with this. I have a
>         newborn baby /and /I've been sick for the past few days, so I
>         simply haven't been able to keep up with meetings and emails.
>         I don't mean to step on anybody's toes. I'd be happy to put
>         this up as temporary solution and then point it to whatever
>         Drupal-based product you come up with. If people think this
>         could be a viable platform, I'll deploy an instance with OWS
>         branding and better explanatory texts.
>         I plan to add search, editing posts, and more fluid
>         login/logout -- it shouldn't take more than a day or two. I'd
>         also like to add RSS/Atom feeds.
>         The code is poorly documented right now but it's pretty clean,
>         and I'll be adding comments and documentation tomorrow. It's
>         built on top of Flask <>, which is very
>         simple to develop on. I would really love to continue working
>         on it, but I don't want to sabotage some kind of collective
>         undertaking. It really does sound like something like this is
>         needed urgently, though.
>         Thoughts?
>         Best, Ori
>         On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Evan Wagner
>         < <>> wrote:
>             All,
>             Re: the meeting tomorrow- it's cancelled!  The necessary
>             conversations to get started occurred today, so we will be
>             able to get started right away.  Dana will be setting up
>             the git hub and redmine PM account coordinating the work
>             moving forward, in close alignment with myself... She will
>             be reaching out to the team I outlined at the beginning of
>             this string.  Please anybody else who wants to pitch in,
>             let us know...
>             Also, Keka, are you still on board for the visual design?
>             - I have also copied the design WG back on this list to
>             see if there are more people interested in making the site
>             super slick!!
>             peace,
>             Evan
>             On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Devin Balkind
>             < <>>
>             wrote:
>>             Dave, the author of that blog is a friend of mine, a
>>             number of people in FLO Solutions group member projects
>>             are on the shareable list and the communityforge
>>             developer is on our team. ;)
>>             On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM, dave tarc
>>             <<>
>>             <>> wrote:
>>                 I'm not able to contribute to the project at all
>>                 (doing other ows stuff with drupal) but wanted to
>>                 make sure that you were aware of all the tools on
>>                 these lists:
>>                 <>
>>                 <>
>>                 Particularly <>
>>                 which purports to be a LETS system implemented in Drupal.
>>                 On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Boyer
>>                 <<>
>>                 <>> wrote:
>>                     i can't offer actual work time (too many other
>>                     #ows obligations, to say
>>                     nothing of client work), but if you folks haven't
>>                     already gone all the
>>                     way through planning & speccing the drupal
>>                     internals, i can definitely
>>                     help at that level.
>>                     cheers
>>                     s
>>                     On 10/19/11 9:24 AM, Evan Wagner wrote:
>>                     > Good Day All!
>>                     >
>>                     > So, it looks like the Permabank team is finally
>>                     coming together!  This
>>                     > is what I have so far:
>>                     >
>>                     > Product Managers: Evan Wagner (me), Devin Balkind
>>                     > Project Manager: Dana Skallman
>>                     > UX Designer:* *Marc Schaffner-Gurney
>>                     > Visual Designer: Keka Marzagao
>>                     > Developers: Matthew Slater (Back-end- C-forge
>>                     adaptation), Matthew
>>                     > Lepacek (Back/Front End), Dan Rassi
>>                     (Front-end), Chaz Cheadle
>>                     > (Back-end), Marc Pruce (Front-end)
>>                     > Server Coordination: Tom Gillis
>>                     >
>>                     > The plan is to use Better Means as the PM
>>                     software and git hub as the
>>                     > code repository, which Dana will be setting up
>>                     today in coordination
>>                     > with Tom.
>>                     >
>>                     > We are building this in Drupal, in case its not
>>                     already clear.  Anybody
>>                     > else who can jump on to help, please let us know.
>>                     >
>>                     > For all who can be there in person, let's meet
>>                     at Charlotte's Place
>>                     > tomorrow (Thurs) at 1:00PM for a kick-off
>>                     meeting.  All who can, please
>>                     > confirm that the time works.  For those who
>>                     can't, please respond with
>>                     > outline of specific availability so Dana can
>>                     reach out to coordinate
>>                     > tasks...
>>                     >
>>                     > Forget Wall Street, let's make our own bank!!
>>                     >
>>                     > peace,
>>                     >
>>                     > Evan
>>             --
>>             Devin Balkind
>>             @devinbalkind
>>             <> <>
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