Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Leaderless Movement
From: cseeman
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
To: Global Revolution Media

You offer no direct knowledge of how Occupy is being organized around
the country.

Occupy Wall Street in NYC is very well organized with many functioning
committees taking care of Kitchen, Sanitation, Finance, Media, as well
as others.

Centralized leadership has always been easy to corrupt because there's
obvious individuals that can be targeted.

It's much harder to subvert a well managed non hierarchical movement
because there is no single corruptible target.

A non hierarchical movement can grow faster because everyone is a
stake holder ranging from organized committee members to the General
Assembly. Every participant feels directly empowered. The process of
consensus itself cements the bonds of the movement because addressing
concerns prevents the divisions that have demoralized and deteriorated
most movements in the past.

The Occupy movement is probably one of the fastest growing movements
in recent history. NYC which you are so critical of, is probably has
the largest number of participants in any single locale in the
country. It has developed relationships with the Community Board,
local businesses, local elected officials. Yet it is still nascent.
This is a major organizational accomplishment. All done with a direct
democratic process in which every one is a "leader" by owning part of
the tangible decision making process with real consequence and
quantifiable success.

The you pay undue importance on the press itself shows naivete in who
funds the press through both ownership and advertising. Meanwhile
thousands of people watch NYC OWS and GlobalRevolution at any moment
through their live streams and multiply that with the scores more
streams of the many other Occupy locations. There's been well over 2
million unique views and that numbers is growing rapidly. Occupy has
create a mass awareness and consciousness raising that the corporate
controlled media is beginning to pay at least passing attention to
because they are ratings driven (in return advertiser driven) and are
very much aware of the thousands viewing these streaming at any given

This in toto has to be one of the BEST ORGANIZED fastest growing
movements this country (and the world) has seen in decades . . .  in
which EVERYONE is learning how to "lead" because each has a vested
interest in the decision making.

Craig Seeman

On Oct 24, 5:50 pm, Douglas Gault <> wrote:
The very idea of a leaderless movement is a noble concept of pure lunacy
at this time in world history. It will be doomed to failure. Just look
at the negative press that you guys are already receiving as to the
reputation of the NYCGA. The concept of utopia is as old as man himself
and it does not yet exist. The best nations to have ever achieved such a
concept as utopia also became corrupted, that being the original isle of

Now just why is it that so many of the other Occupy Movements across
this nation do have Governing boards and leaders, and have implemented
steering committees, and are being conducted far better than the one in
NYC's OWS? And yet all of the eyes of a Nation and the Whole of the
World have been watching and waiting to see just what is going to come
out of New York. And so far nothing except pure Chaos and a state of
Anarchy has come from NY; this is only bound to collapse upon itself if
something does not develop a bit faster.

All Concepts, Ideas, Inventions and even Movements are ripe for a
takeover if not properly managed from inception to implementation.

Are you even aware that the premise of the United States was stolen from
the Indians form of Democracy? Look to the peace accords of the "Treaty
at Albany <>" of
1721-1722Cited in"O'Callaghan, E. B. (Ed.). (1855). Documents Relative
to the Colonial History of the State of New York, vol. 5. Albany, NY:
Weed, Parsons, and Co., 657--681." As this proof.

Early Americans were totally blown away that a form of Democracy,
thought to have been first envisioned in Greece existed here in the
Colony's, and had been in existence far longer than it had ever lasted
in Greece. And the sad fact is that this Nation of once 5 tribes is now
6 tribes strong, and still stands united without change, with there fire
of peace still burning to this day in there long house. They also have
there own form of effective governance, and it is not leaderless either.

Every society that has ever existed had some form of self governance
even the earliest of tribal societies. The NYCGA has got to come to
gripes with this or they will sure die as an unorganized union.

Douglas Gault

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 Open letter to the NYCGA.pdf