Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Re: how does this relate to permabank?
From: Sam Zimmerman
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:59:12 -0700 (PDT)
To: internet working group

ugh! I think Moveon glomming on to this movement and coopting the
occupy brand is incredibly sleazy. Their model is about passive
involvement - give us money and we will do the work of informing you,
lobbying for you and buying advertising in your behalf.  They are
circulating all sorts of OWS petitions, which then puts new people on
their solicitation lists. Moveon spends money with media corporations
to support Democrat politicians and causes. These tactics and overall
agenda do not align with the Occupy movement, which is about direct
expression and depriving corporate entities a stake in our governing
process.  If Daniel Mintz wants to contribute resources, can this this
be done within some context of consensus decisions?  Is it worth
asking?  I would be happy to be part of that discussion if there is
interest in having it.

- Sam

On Oct 27, 7:57 pm, "Charles Lenchner" <>

Here's another interesting online effort that's popped up around the Occupy
Wall Street movement: <> , a
simple platform where people who want to give direct support to occupiers in
need of things like blankets, batteries, sleeping bags and the like can
connect with each other. Built and supported by, the site is just
starting to see some usage, with 187 items provided by 58 people to 8 sites
so far. I spoke with Daniel Mintz, MoveOn's campaign director, who offered
some background about the project.

"The big challenge is less on getting people to help; the bigger challenge
is on getting in touch with all the occupations," to make sure actual needs
are being expressed and met. He noted that such efforts were already taking
place around the hashtag #needsoftheoccupiers, but said that such a
decentralized approach had one challenge: "If someone wants to help their
local occupation, they may not know how to figure out which one is the one
to help, to find a list of what's needed. There's no comprehensive database
of all the occupy sites, no hub where you can type in your zipcode."

Creating such a database would be a "Sisyphean task," Mintz added, given how
fluid so many of these local occupations appear to be. The Oakland
encampment was just broken up by police, for example, and the Indianapolis
group appears to have fallen apart due to internal strife. "This is more
about helping make connections quickly and easily before circumstances
shift," he said.

OccupyWishList doesn't just make it easy for people to list their needs or
their willingness to meet them; Mintz says the site will also work to ensure
that connections and commitments are actually met, or a need will get

Why is MoveOn doing this? "Over the course of the last year, our members,
like most Americans, have become more and more fed up with the discussion in
Washington focused on a fake deficit crisis when there's a real unemployment
crisis facing the country," Mintz replied. "The OWS movement is a real
manifestation of anger and frustration that Washington isn't addressing
people's real problems, and it's no surprise that MoveOn members' top
priority right now is to find ways to stand in solidarity with those

"We felt like this was something obvious that we could provide. We're not
looking for credit. We're much more interested in getting this out there and
making sure that it really helps. We have developers and project managers,
so we felt we could throw it together in a couple of days."


Charles Lenchner, Organizing 2.0

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