Subject: Re: [NYCGA Internet] Re: how does this relate to permabank?
From: Matt Browner Hamlin
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:03:17 -0400
To: internet_working_group@googlegroups.com

I think there's plenty of room to question how MoveOn engages with Occupy, but the site itself takes in no money to MoveOn and is simply enabling people in Occupations to identify their needs and people who want to fulfill those needs to do so directly. MoveOn isn't saying what people should give and they're not touching the money. 

Redundancy is a different issue, but I don't think money/cooption is a problem here. 

My $0.02

mbh

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Sam Zimmerman <occupy.sam.z@gmail.com> wrote:
ugh! I think Moveon glomming on to this movement and coopting the
occupy brand is incredibly sleazy. Their model is about passive
involvement - give us money and we will do the work of informing you,
lobbying for you and buying advertising in your behalf.  They are
circulating all sorts of OWS petitions, which then puts new people on
their solicitation lists. Moveon spends money with media corporations
to support Democrat politicians and causes. These tactics and overall
agenda do not align with the Occupy movement, which is about direct
expression and depriving corporate entities a stake in our governing
process.  If Daniel Mintz wants to contribute resources, can this this
be done within some context of consensus decisions?  Is it worth
asking?  I would be happy to be part of that discussion if there is
interest in having it.

- Sam

On Oct 27, 7:57 pm, "Charles Lenchner" <clench...@organizing20.org>
wrote:
> http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/occupywishlist-launches-online-re...
> connecting-ows-needs-and-donors
>
> Here's another interesting online effort that's popped up around the Occupy
> Wall Street movement: OccupyWishList.org <http://www.occupywishlist.org> , a
> simple platform where people who want to give direct support to occupiers in
> need of things like blankets, batteries, sleeping bags and the like can
> connect with each other. Built and supported by MoveOn.org, the site is just
> starting to see some usage, with 187 items provided by 58 people to 8 sites
> so far. I spoke with Daniel Mintz, MoveOn's campaign director, who offered
> some background about the project.
>
> "The big challenge is less on getting people to help; the bigger challenge
> is on getting in touch with all the occupations," to make sure actual needs
> are being expressed and met. He noted that such efforts were already taking
> place around the hashtag #needsoftheoccupiers, but said that such a
> decentralized approach had one challenge: "If someone wants to help their
> local occupation, they may not know how to figure out which one is the one
> to help, to find a list of what's needed. There's no comprehensive database
> of all the occupy sites, no hub where you can type in your zipcode."
>
> Creating such a database would be a "Sisyphean task," Mintz added, given how
> fluid so many of these local occupations appear to be. The Oakland
> encampment was just broken up by police, for example, and the Indianapolis
> group appears to have fallen apart due to internal strife. "This is more
> about helping make connections quickly and easily before circumstances
> shift," he said.
>
> OccupyWishList doesn't just make it easy for people to list their needs or
> their willingness to meet them; Mintz says the site will also work to ensure
> that connections and commitments are actually met, or a need will get
> relisted.
>
> Why is MoveOn doing this? "Over the course of the last year, our members,
> like most Americans, have become more and more fed up with the discussion in
> Washington focused on a fake deficit crisis when there's a real unemployment
> crisis facing the country," Mintz replied. "The OWS movement is a real
> manifestation of anger and frustration that Washington isn't addressing
> people's real problems, and it's no surprise that MoveOn members' top
> priority right now is to find ways to stand in solidarity with those
> protesters."
>
> "We felt like this was something obvious that we could provide. We're not
> looking for credit. We're much more interested in getting this out there and
> making sure that it really helps. We have developers and project managers,
> so we felt we could throw it together in a couple of days."
>
> ---
>
> Charles Lenchner, Organizing 2.0
>
>  <http://www.organizing20.org/>http://www.organizing20.org| 202.460.5199
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