Subject: RE: [NYCGA Internet] Re: how does this relate to permabank?
From: "Charles Lenchner" <>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:07:16 -0400
To: <>

Sam, I disagree with you. Folks here have been raising money and spending it
without paying attention to process from day one. Do you think funds for the
wifi came from a meeting? Or funds for the print newspaper?

I'm more interested in.... if this tool takes off, what is the value of
recreating the same functionality? Why not work with MoveOn to push the tool
in a direction the Permabank folks support? And - is there a lesson here
about the perils of NOT widely publicizing one's plans. If MoveOn folks had
KNOWN that permabank was some kind of approved tool in development, maybe
they would have helped/participated?


-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Sam Zimmerman
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:59 PM
To: internet working group
Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Re: how does this relate to permabank?

ugh! I think Moveon glomming on to this movement and coopting the occupy
brand is incredibly sleazy. Their model is about passive involvement - give
us money and we will do the work of informing you, lobbying for you and
buying advertising in your behalf.  They are circulating all sorts of OWS
petitions, which then puts new people on their solicitation lists. Moveon
spends money with media corporations to support Democrat politicians and
causes. These tactics and overall agenda do not align with the Occupy
movement, which is about direct expression and depriving corporate entities
a stake in our governing process.  If Daniel Mintz wants to contribute
resources, can this this be done within some context of consensus decisions?
Is it worth asking?  I would be happy to be part of that discussion if there
is interest in having it.

- Sam

On Oct 27, 7:57 pm, "Charles Lenchner" <>

Here's another interesting online effort that's popped up around the 
Occupy Wall Street movement: 
<> , a simple platform where people who 
want to give direct support to occupiers in need of things like 
blankets, batteries, sleeping bags and the like can connect with each 
other. Built and supported by, the site is just starting to 
see some usage, with 187 items provided by 58 people to 8 sites so 
far. I spoke with Daniel Mintz, MoveOn's campaign director, who offered
some background about the project.

"The big challenge is less on getting people to help; the bigger 
challenge is on getting in touch with all the occupations," to make 
sure actual needs are being expressed and met. He noted that such 
efforts were already taking place around the hashtag 
#needsoftheoccupiers, but said that such a decentralized approach had 
one challenge: "If someone wants to help their local occupation, they 
may not know how to figure out which one is the one to help, to find a 
list of what's needed. There's no comprehensive database of all the occupy
sites, no hub where you can type in your zipcode."

Creating such a database would be a "Sisyphean task," Mintz added, 
given how fluid so many of these local occupations appear to be. The 
Oakland encampment was just broken up by police, for example, and the 
Indianapolis group appears to have fallen apart due to internal 
strife. "This is more about helping make connections quickly and 
easily before circumstances shift," he said.

OccupyWishList doesn't just make it easy for people to list their 
needs or their willingness to meet them; Mintz says the site will also 
work to ensure that connections and commitments are actually met, or a 
need will get relisted.

Why is MoveOn doing this? "Over the course of the last year, our 
members, like most Americans, have become more and more fed up with 
the discussion in Washington focused on a fake deficit crisis when 
there's a real unemployment crisis facing the country," Mintz replied. 
"The OWS movement is a real manifestation of anger and frustration 
that Washington isn't addressing people's real problems, and it's no 
surprise that MoveOn members' top priority right now is to find ways 
to stand in solidarity with those protesters."

"We felt like this was something obvious that we could provide. We're 
not looking for credit. We're much more interested in getting this out 
there and making sure that it really helps. We have developers and 
project managers, so we felt we could throw it together in a couple of


Charles Lenchner, Organizing 2.0