Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Fwd: Generator issues
From: Dallas
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:49:54 -0400
To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com

wonderful!  thank you for all the details.   perfect. I work with
colin and will coordinate.

also, if we plan on bring a replacement generator, we need to have
printouts of the regulations so we can rebuff any attempt to
confiscate our property again.

and we will make a plan for monday/tues pickup of other generators.


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Victoria Sobel <victoria@showpaper.org> wrote:
i have none of the receipts- vlads honda is older than the occupation and
probably wont have a receipt as far as the others i think some were donation
and the biodiesel generator we just got yesterday has receipts- the person
who coordinated those efforts evan  (6466411772) has been working with
gideon from the NLG since the morning- who has background in working with
the FDNY so someone should touch base with evan to get a hold of gideon.
they are holding the FDNY confiscation forms which detail the model
generators but provide absolutely no other info other than that they will be
taken to randall's island (i've already asked them for a copy of these docs)
i suggest we also coordinate with the kid who signed for all of these
generators this morning on the confiscation form- his name is colin laws ,
he works with thorin's livestream and his ## is 8609307060

let know if there are any other holes we need to fill- again we really just
need to coordinate our efforts, seems like alot of people are running around
doubling work loads. i can be reached via this email or at 240 899 1348
(probably quicker by phone)

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Alexander Penley
<Alexander@penleygloballaw.com> wrote:

OK- first we need to know who should contact the NY law department?

On 28 October 2011 14:51, Dallas <justdallas@gmail.com> wrote:

I can be on randall's by 3:30-3:45 with a truck.  where are the
receipts for the gen?  victoria?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Alexander Penley
<Alexander@penleygloballaw.com> wrote:
Having spoken with Joe Polcha at 9 Metro Tech, 3rd Fl. he said that
they
will require the receipts for the taken generators and $65 to recover
each
one. Anyone who goes has to show that they represent the people with
the
generators. Joe Polcha's direct number is 718 999-2533.
ADDITIONALLY- as it is late, they advised me that there was little to
no
chance of getting them back before Monday.
UPDATE- Sgt. Wozniaki contacted me and told me that we need to speak to
the
NYC Law department and be 'guided by their directions'

On 28 October 2011 14:37, Victoria Sobel <victoria@showpaper.org>
wrote:

okay great so let's keep moving forward on getting the generators back
from randall's island and perhaps a new one on site in the interim.
vlad
please call us when you get a chance

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org>
wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Wylie Stecklow" <wylie@wylielaw.com>
Date: Oct 28, 2011 2:24 PM
Subject: Generator issues
To: "Robert Quackenbush" <robert@drmtlaw.com>, "janos marton"
<rovingstorm@gmail.com>, "Joel Kupferman" <envjoel@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: "Vlad" <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org>, "Dallas"
<justdallas@gmail.com>

Bobby and Joel
I am copying vlad, janos and dallas.
They seem to be hitting up the generator issue, and i wanted to
connect
all of you.
Wylie

legal following up
This appears to be the relevant provision of the administrative code:

§   27-512   Fire  protection.  The  ground  enclosed  by  a  tent
 or
air-supported structure, and the ground for a distance of at  least
ten feet outside  of  same,  shall  be cleared and maintained clear
of
all combustible material or vegetation. No open flame of any kind
shall  be employed within the structure, or closer than twenty feet
to
any part of the enclosure fabric. Fire extinguishing facilities shall
be provided in accordance with the requirements of chapter four of
this title.

ere is a portion of the draft memo the from Adminstrative Code
committee,
related to generators. (FYI, the rest of the memo will go out later
today.)



Administrative Code Provisions Concerning Gasoline and Diesel
Generators



            The issue is whether OWS activists in Zuccotti Park may
lawfully use a gasoline or diesel generator for electricity. In large
part,
the answer depends on the nature of the generator (gasoline, diesel,
or
other fuel) and the BTU input.



            As a general matter, a permit should not be required in
order
to operate a residential-sized gasoline or diesel generator, so long
as the
“BTU input or gross output [is] not more than one million BTU per
hour.” AC
§ 24-121(a)(5).



            To enforce these regulations, the commissioner of
environmental protection (see AC § 24-104(17)) or his or her
designated
agent (see AC § 24-105) is empowered to inspect any equipment covered
under
the Code where there is “reasonable cause to believe that any
equipment or
fuel is in violation of this code.” AC § 24-107(a). It is unlawful to
interfere with or obstruct designated personnel in carrying out their
duties, including any inspections or laboratory tests on the
equipment. AC §
24-111.



On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Alan Levine
<alevine@latinojustice.org>
wrote:

Gideon, Let me know how I can be helpful.

alan

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Subject: Re: Follow up Liberty Park Legal Working Group - seizures at
Zuccotti today

joel is on his way to the park, which I just left, talking with folks
about providing a legal support response to this. if anyone else on
this
list or otherwise wants to be in the loop/working on responding
please let
me know so that work is not duplicated.

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From: "Knuckey, Sarah" <sarah.knuckey@nyu.edu>

Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:43:01

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Subject: Re: Follow up Liberty Park Legal Working Group - seizures at
 Zuccotti today

Forwarding from Emi Maclean:



http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/occupy_wall_street/2011/10/28/2011-10-2



8_occupy_wall_street_protesters_stripped_of_their_power_literally_by_fire_d

epartme.html#ixzz1c5owDyk8

Dozens of firefighters and police officers entered Zuccotti Park
Friday
morning to confiscate generators and gas canisters.

Fire trucks and police vans pulled up on the corner of Broadway and
Liberty St. at about 8.30 am and asked the Occupy Wall Street
protesters  to
bring the items to them, saying they were a health and fire hazard.

"They made an announcement on a bullhorn saying: 'We are here to take
 the generators, could you please bring them up to us on the corner
of
Broadway and Liberty Street'," said James Bennett, a member of the
information working group.

When no one from Occupy Wall Street surrendered the generators, more
than
20 uniformed FDNY and NYPD officials entered the park to seize them,
witnesses said.

The protesters say five generators were seized in total, including
one
which was biodiesel and ran on used vegetable oil.

Several canisters were also taken, some empty, some with vegetable
oil
and one with gasoline, Occupy Wall Street say. No arrests were made
and the
incident was peaceful, the city said.





On 10/28/11 12:10 PM, "Knuckey, Sarah" <sarah.knuckey@nyu.edu> wrote:

People on this list may find this interesting:

Yesterday, the President of Indonesia (Yudhoyono) referred to the

NYPD's policing of assembly and NY mass arrests as a justification
for

Indo's own policing tactics and and mass arrests of pro-West Papua

independence protesters. He was responding to calls by Amnesty

International and others to release the detained protesters and
account

for protesters' injuries and deaths. The "President compared

Indonesia's actions with the hundreds of people in New York who were

detained by local authorities for shutting down streets with

demonstrations, and riots that also occurred in England some time
ago.

Detention of people because they act against the law, is happening

around the world." Original article is in Bahasa Indonesia language

only, but informal translation into English by a friend working to
free
the West Papua activists is here:


http://ebenkirksey.blogspot.com/2011/10/indonesian-president-open-to-di

alo

g

.html

This is an inevitable but very striking example of US norm and
behavior

proliferation and setting, and of the phenomenon of other countries

referencing US practice as justification for their own human rights

violations.

In other human rights contexts (e.g. recently, targeted killings),
this

type of effect has occasionally been an influential advocacy point

against US practices vis-a-vis certain actors. Just something to keep

in the back of our minds as we continue to advocate here for our
rights

to peacefully assemble and protest.


Sarah


On 10/27/11 12:15 AM, "WylieLAW" <civilrightsesq@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, just spoke to finance folks on the ground, ton of police
presence,

lots of white shirts, but looks to be calming  down at this point.


Sent from my iPad

On Oct 27, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Sunita Patel <SPatel@ccrjustice.org>
wrote:

Someone at the CCR office says there is A LOT of police activity in

the area. Tweets are suggesting COBRA.

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Subject: Re: Follow up Liberty Park Legal Working Group

I'm getting text that mass arrest  are imminent at the park.

Anyone else hearing this?

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 26, 2011, at 9:56 PM, "Yetta G. Kurland"

<kurland@kurlandassociates.com> wrote:

Very interesting...

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/26/354443/occupy-cleveland-

win

s

/




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Subject: RE: Follow up Liberty Park Legal Working Group

Just saw this. If the 5 p.m. meeting was today, guess I missed it.

If there's going to be a Sunday, Nov. 6 meeting, I can be there.

alan

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Subject: RE: Follow up Liberty Park Legal Working Group

Hey Alan,

This just went out, fyi.



Yetta G. Kurland, Esq.

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Subject: Follow up Liberty Park Legal Working Group



Hey all,

I wanted to check in and see if we could set up two meetings.  For

the  smaller subcommittee we are proposing a meeting at  5pm at our

office

(350

Broadway, Suite 701) and then the larger Liberty Park Working Group

to meet  on Sunday Nov 6th at 2pm.  Please let me know if these

dates do not work  asap.

Thank you.



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