Subject: [NYCGA Internet] Re: [Interocc] Report back from International Meeting between Occupy and DRY
From: carlos cbr
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:32:38 +0100
To: ga@wc.tc
CC: occupyusa@googlegroups.com, occupycallplanning@googlegroups.com, interocc@occupyeverywhere.org

I have just heard about this global virtual assembly, really good thing!

I'm from Madrid, part of the international outreach group of Sol, and I would like to extend the info about the situation here in Spain and about the international work we have done until now.

To start I would like to clarify that DRY are not the group that came out of the May 15. They existed before May, in fact they were the ones who made the call for the May 15 demo (like adbuster called for the September 17 in WallStreet), but then, after the demo, it was people of all kind who decided to stay in Puerta del Sol, not being part of any concrete group (later they were called the 15M, the "indignados"..), and that was how the campment started.

Later, in the next days and weeks, it was replicated in dozens of cities in Spain and other countries, and the encampments developed their organizational structure in form of assemblies. When they were finished, they continued working via assemblies (there are now more than 100 different assemblies nodes just in Madrid, each one with their own comissions and working groups that join together in a weekly basis, so each week there are literaly hundreds of different assemblies across the city!). Meanwhile, DRY continued with his own activities, working groups, virtual tools, organization, and their own structure, although a lot of people from DRY participated in the camps and in the posterior assemblies that emerged from them, but they are not the same thing.

The other way we use for coordinating are the virtual tools used, being the main ones for communication the webs (the national one http://tomalaplaza.net and the international one http://takethesquare.net), and the mailing lists (one for each comission and working group, one to coordinate at national level, and one to coordinate at international level -> Squares)

In the international mailing list, squares@lists.takethesquare.net, we are at present more than 400 hundred people from countries all over the world where there are similar movements and have been encampments and regular assemblies (now we are trying to include people from all the new places emerged since the October 15th, that are really a lot!)

The people there is from international groups of all the places where they exist, and individual people with the same role where not. That role is to be a two-directional link between the list and the local physical assemblies, taking the information to one place to the other, so we can coordinate common proposals (like for example a text redacted some weeks ago by the economy working groups of Sol in Spain and Syntagma in Greece), and common actions (like the one of October 15th).

Appart from the list, we also held regular virtual assemblies (Square Virtual Meetings), usually on Fridays at 7pm spanish time (althought it can change), were we take decisions about the internal working of the mailing list and about the coordination tasks.

(You can see a more detailed explanation of all this here: http://takethesquare.net/about-us/)

Now the most discussed topic in the list is the development of tools to make better the global network, to include all the squares and occupy movements going on, and to continue exchanging info and start coordinating in a more effective way. So it is not clear if this concrete mailing list will continue being our main tool for the global coordination, or maybe something new. But until now, it would be great that as much people as possible participate in it, and in the virtual assemblies, also to think about the inmediate future possibilities.

Big hugs!!
For a real global change, keep in contact,
Carlos.



2011/10/30 Andrea Ciannavei <andrea.ciannavei@gmail.com>:
> Thank you for this excellent report back!
>
> On Oct 30, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Global Assemblies wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
> We had the first International meeting between "Occupy" and "Democracy Real
> Ya!", DRY, or "Real Democracy Now!".
> The meeting was 8.5 hours long, and we had about 7 people from the USA,
> mainly from the central and west coast of the United States because the
> meeting was in the middle of the night.  There were about 10 people from
> Spain that were also on the call.  There were at least 5 other people who
> wanted to be on the call from the US, but were unable to because of
> technical reasons from using Mumble, which is the program the Spanish use to
> communicate nationally.  Overall I would estimate the meeting at about 20
> people.
> Although we had a extensive agenda, very little was actually accomplished.
>  The meeting itself was very slow, because we had to translate everything
> into both english and spanish.  There was a few hours of the meeting where
> the meeting got quite contentious and was VERY difficult, most of that
> section was primarily in English, as the facilitator for that time decided
> that it was not necessary to force translation.  There were many differences
> between the methods and tools that were used to conduct the meeting from the
> computer programs, web tools, and facilitation methods.  Yet we learned a
> lot about each other, and I have no doubt that the group will continue and
> just get better and better at working together.
> Overall the outcomes of the meeting were, simply introducing each other, and
> getting an understanding of our points of view.  We also successfully agreed
> to schedule the next calls, although it was not easy scheduling an
> international call.
> This meeting was scheduled while it was the middle of the night on the East
> Coast, aka NYC.  So we changed the meeting time so that the next
> international call, which will be in both Spanish & English simultaneously,
> will be at 11am PST, 12noon MST, 1pm CST, and 2pm EST.  This way it will
> make it a lot easier for everyone on the EAst Coast to be involved.
> We also agreed to schedule two additional online meetings using different
> web tools.  You can vote for the meetings using these links:
> One will be scheduled using Doodle with this form:  (I do not know what time
> in the world that the hours indicate)
> http://www.doodle.com/29pvsrifhd5d894s
> The other meeting will be scheduled using these two google forms:
> English Version:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dG9EQkdlOGZ3bXB3X2RZRmlBYlFOeEE6MA
> Spanish Version:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFc3MTUzLUJlWXlHbUpsVTYtSndLdEE6MA
>
> You may simply not be able to believe that that is all that happened in 8.5
> hours of meetings, but the truth is, that is really all that happened
> besides a lot of story telling and sharing of perspective.
> We hope that we will have more representation on the next upcoming calls,
> and that the calls will be shorter and smoother, but everyone working on the
> international level is committed to doing what it takes to develop
> communication channels and it is not easy because of the language barriers,
> so if you are going to be involved, be prepared for long and slow meetings.
>  I will also be involved in scheduling global meetings that are only in
> english and only in spanish.
> We have not had any substantial discussions about the purpose or scope of
> this group, but it was made clear that most if not everybody on the call
> understood we could only make decisions on actions that only take affect
> within the group.  
> I still have not had time to finalize all the notes and get them online for
> everyone to see, but I at least am giving this short update.  I will send
> out a link to the notes ASAP.
> Please read bellow for more information on who the people from Spain are.
> Thanks for everyone's work,
> Jay
>
> Jay Blas Jacob Cabrera
> (415) 323-5833
> http://GlobalAssemblies.info
> http://JaysLIFE.net
> http://Jelo.in
>
> Who is the Democracy Real Ya!, DRY?
> To explain a little bit about DRY which stands for "Democracia Real Ya!" or
> Real Democracy Now!, they are the group that came out of the May 15
> indignados in the Plaza del Sol, Madrid that sparked a global connection
> between cities in europe and latin america.  This network of organizations
> decided months ago on the October 15 day of global action and protests, many
> weeks before Occupy Wall Street even started.  They have been doing this
> national and international organizing for almost 6 months and so have a lot
> of skills and support to help deal with the problems that the Occupy groups
> are having as they get started.  There is little to no difference within the
> networks except that the names are different.  The goals for democratic and
> economic reform are the same.  The model of the local General Assemblies all
> over the place came from DRY.
>
>
>
>
> Andrea Ciannavei
> andrea.ciannavei@gmail.com
> 646-326-4896
>
>
>
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