Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] heads up
From: Bruce Wagner
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:24:27 -0400

Jim, Your using Windows could account for it... if it has a virus.
Download and try the free version of
It's excellent and you don't need to buy it ever.  Let us know if it
finds any viruses.

Andrea, your case is more disconcerting.  It's far less likely that a
virus is the culprit because you use Mac.   And if you're SURE you've
NEVER used any other computer to log in to your gmail....  That is
troubling.   I can't think of any good explanation of how what could

( As for virus scan software for Mac, I personally don't know anything
about which is best.   Most Mac users I know, don't use any. )

For sure, change your gmail passwords again, to something very secure
--- and something you use for nothing else ---  something that looks
similar to this:  ZJpm(9Fkby:z

Use a program like the free program,
to manage all of your passwords securely... so you don't need to
remember them.   There is even a free version for most phones, like: for
Android.   Used in conjunction with you can keep
your KeyPassX password file on your Dropbox and access it from all
your computers and phones.

Hope this helps.


On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, jim ginderske <> wrote:
Just fyi all of my access is either blackberry or a cheap netbook with
(total crap) windows 7 starter...Thanks for the suggestions!

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:23 AM, andrea ciannavei
<> wrote:

Thanks! I have a Mac. Didn't access it from anything but my computer and
my phone as always. I changed the password as you suggested. What's a good
program to scan macs?

On Oct 31, 2011 3:02 AM, "Bruce Wagner" <> wrote:

It's also very possible for a keyboard capture virus to steal your login
id & password.
Do either of you use Windows (Windows is known to have a million more
viruses than Mac)?
Is it possible that either of you ever logged on to your account from
another computer?
In any case, make sure your computer is scanned for viruses, then
immediately change your gmail password again.

On Oct 31, 2011 12:24 AM, "andrea ciannavei" <>

this just happened to me as well not 10 minutes ago, i've been very
active in some groups and the national calls as well. this is the first time
i've ever received a notification like that.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 7:15 PM, jim ginderske <>

Hi all,

A quick heads up...

My name is Jim and I'm in nyc regularly. The last time I was there I
helped out with the livestream, where I met Thorin and Dwayne. I'm also in
Chicago and very active with occupychi.

Late yesterday I had a brief personal email exchange with Dwayne, for
the first time. A few hours later I received a gmail alert saying that my
account was accessed twice in nyc at about the same time I was accessing it
here. Google apparently sends these notices when it recognizes something
that looks fishy to them along with a suggestion to change your password
immediately. I have never received one before.

What this means is that either someone in nyc coincidentally figured
out my very secure password and hacked into my account late last night for
no apparent reason, or someone did so after seeing my exchange with Dwayne.

If the latter, it would indicate that at least some people in nyc's
personal emails are being watched by either hackers or law enforcement. As
you all probably know, secret 'sneak and peek' investigations as well as
warrant-less National Security Letters are permitted by the Patriot Act, so
it could be law enforcement or any hacker trolling for incriminating info
about the movement.

I could be totally off on this, but it is one hell of a coincidence. I
am absolutely not a conspiracy theorist, but the timing of this breach feels
very suspicious to me.

If anyone has a relevant contact at the NLG or ACLU, please forward
this their way. It may of use if they are analyzing patterns of similar
occurrences for future FOIA requests.
Be safe and stay strong...