Subject: [NYCGA-IWG] Re: [Interocc] InterOcc Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13
From: elly
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:31:52 -0800
To: interocc@occupyeverywhere.org

as you have completely changed the wording in my text, I will now not trust this group again... thanks for the confirmation!

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Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 10:45:03 -0700
From: elly<urbanpubedreform@gmail.com>
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I have been reading all of the communication from Occupy Wall Street
since day 1. This group does not seem to be an offshoot. If you want to
have national lists or make pronouncements, like "Occupy Wall Street is
not starting to have a bad taste," then, you should probably remove the
word "occupy" from your name. I don't think you represent the movement.
I will be happy to go into more detail if asked. - Urbaned

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Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 14:42:28 -0700
From: STEPHEN RUIZ<s.ruiz6@me.com>
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There is nothing to reinvent everyone, Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everyone else. Occupy is starting to have a bad taste, such a waste of useful energy! Lack of accountability in our government! Start at the top, grassroots are already trunks created by our founders, if you don't like it then then let's change it , start with the EPA, choking us to poverty, get rid of it.
How about growing food for fuel, how's that working out, give me a break! Corn will feed the world not power it! Dreamworlds are not solutions!
Stop the dreamworld, change legislation with the power of your vote and let's be the example for others to follow!









On Nov 3, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Jacob Russell<wjacobr@gmail.com>   wrote:

I share your concerns. Philly_Occupytogether Working Group is at the early stages of planing, and hosting,  a regional conference (not an assembly) to discuss exactly this kind of concern. How do we grow and not lose our democratic character?

If you're interested in attending such a conference, let us know, and we'll keep in touch and let you know as things develop.

--Jacob Spirit Stick
wjacobr@gmail.com

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Stephen Duplantier<stephen.duplantier@gmail.com>   wrote:
Charles' point is well taken. The dynamic balance between just enough blessed an-archy (in the formal sense) and the maybe-necessary, but also somewhat scary "nationalizing" tendency is delicate. Even an-archists can be organized. And order arises for free out of systems on the edge of chaos.

This is a good discussion to have--how to balance an easy-to-watch (and control) by regressive counter-revolutionary forces national organization vs. liquid, hive-mind, decentralized and amorphous structure. Time to invent a new way...

Stephen Duplantier

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Charles Lenchner<clenchner@organizing20.org>   wrote:
I don't understand the relationship between all this, and the organic coming
together of representatives of specific working groups. Am I the only one
who feels that a top down process is being facilitated into existence?

Where can I vote against having a national working group? Did I miss that
meeting?

Who 'decides' what forms and communication tools end up being used? Why
should they be 'created' as opposed to 'vetted and decided upon by local
occupation working groups on an individual basis'? Who designates any given
solution as being 'national'?

The message is being sent out that if local Working Groups want some kind of
solution, they should approach particular parties. How is this vetted? Which
occupations or Working Groups have gone through a process of approving any
of it?

I realize my questions come across as possibly contentious or rhetorical. It
could be that there ARE answers to these questions, and I am missing them in
all the traffic. If so - please do post some of them.

I know that decisions made in the Working Groups I belong to are made by the
folks in the room, within the contest of the Occupy Wall Street effort. But
when something declares itself to be national, like a list, I want to know:
were all the possible stakeholders involved in a position to affirm or deny
that designation, or am I free to work with a buddy in San Fran and decide
on the spot to have a 'national occupy marching bands list' and project the
idea that all the other local occupy marching bands suddenly have motive to
join my list?

My concern is - I don't want there to be any kind of address for 'national'
occupy movement stuff. It represents a kind of power or leadership that is
unaccountable. If and when something 'national' emerges, I want it created
by and accountable to some formal structure agreed to by a consensus or near
consensus of all the General Assemblies, not by whoever jumped first to
build the right email lists with the proper language. Otherwise, it just
feels 'co-opty' for lack of a better word.

It's confusing....

With good intentions,

Charles Lenchner

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To: occupynorthamerica@googlegroups.com; interocc@occupyeverywhere.org;
occupyusa@googlegroups.com; occupycallplanning@googlegroups.com;
occupyus@googlegroups.com
Subject: [NYCGA-IWG] [Interocc] US National Communications Links - Update

Hey Everyone


I want you all to know that we are getting closer to having a comprehensive
list of National Working groups that people can join.  This list will
including forms for voting for the meeting times and getting on the email
lists/online communication tools, for each National Working group. They are
all optional and open.

We are currently in the process of helping create the forms and
communication tools for all the National Working groups that have been
requested.  But we are sure that there are other national working groups
that exist that we don't know about, so do tell us, and also groups that
people want created but but need help getting started.  So tell us what your
local working groups need and if they would like to connect with other local
working groups working on the same issues.

Here is the link for the current list of National Working Groups Contact and
Meeting Forms (this will be more complete in the next few days so please
check back soon)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14lUU5SZ8Eb2RVyoJGWWZFnJPRnTzS6ye4DWDDbQ7
7Dc/edit

On that list are links to the email lists for people interested in getting
mass updates about the movement on your email.  Currently there are three
National General Email Lists.  So if you aren't on one of those, you may
want to join so you continue to receive updates.

There is also a link to Global Communications information for people
interested in that.

Our goal is to help schedule and support communication for the people who
are interested in Inter-Communication Working groups.

We are also looking for volunteers to help set these meetings up, so if you
are interested in helping with "repetitive computer tasks", do let us know,
cause we could use your help.  There are only 3 of us working on this list
right now, but thats better than just one.  If you want to volunteer, please
submit the number of hours you can committee to the next few days/week, and
your available schedule.

So let us know what you need, and we will do our best to help.

Jay


Jay Blas Jacob Cabrera
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:39:36 -0700
From: Lefty<lefty@shugendo.org>
To: interocc@occupyeverywhere.org
Subject: [Interocc] "Occupation Planet" ? An Ushahidi Server For the
    Benefit of the Occupation!
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Hello, Occupiers!

As a start for the "Occupation Media Services" effort we've initiated, and to help Occupations worldwide identify themselves and share information about what's going on quickly and efficiently, I've set up an Ushahidi server at http://occupationplanet.org

Ushahidi (see http://ushahidi.com) is an open source software package developed to support disaster response efforts, but it seems like it's pretty adaptable to the movement's needs. I've got configuration left to do, but it's possible to submit reports to the site right now.

I've started with three basic categories: "Occupations", "Police Incident" and "Events". I can add more, or create finer distinctions within these, if people want that.

You should be able to create a report with the name and location of your occupation right now. Please check it out, and please spread the word!

David "Lefty" Schlesinger
Occupation Media Services




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Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:51:07 +0100
From: David Stodolsky<dss@secureid.net>
To: elly<urbanpubedreform@gmail.com>
Cc: interocc@occupyeverywhere.org
Subject: Re: [Interocc] InterOcc Digest, Vol 2, Issue 12
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Please use your mail client to auto trash this kind of stuff. I already set my mail to trash anything from that address and now I see it again, because you replied to it. Don't answer stupid mails.


dss

On 5 Nov 2011, at 6:45 PM, elly wrote:

I have been reading all of the communication from Occupy Wall Street since day 1. This group does not seem to be an offshoot. If you want to have national lists or make pronouncements, like "Occupy Wall Street is not starting to have a bad taste," then, you should probably remove the word "occupy" from your name. I don't think you represent the movement. I will be happy to go into more detail if asked. - Urbaned

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