Subject: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: Livestream vs Wirecast vs Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder
From: cseeman
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:06:33 -0800 (PST)
To: Global Revolution Media

1pm is good.
Is it 339 Lafayette?
Floor number?

Wirecast can send simultaneous streams so not just any CDN but several
at the same time.
So we could have primary and secondary streaming running on Livestream
and Ustream and if Livestream goes down just post link in the chat to
Ustream (Livestream will love that won't they? ;)
That's assuming you have the upstream bandwidth of course. Also since
you can have two Wirecast systems, if one goes down you can have the
backup running.

Assuming GlobalRevolution wants to switch to various local streams,
Wirecast does that with Desktop Presenter (Tricaster only has two
inputs from external computers unless they've changed that).

On Nov 11, 7:50 am, Melissa Ulto <> wrote:
Saturday works for me! Lets do it - how is 1 pm?  or noon?

The tricaster is limited but its studio use only as i see it. not
mobile. we can mix both remote wirecast streams and studio streams -
Tricaster can send signal to any system - i've used it with
Livestream, Ustream, and a few others. the mobile media unit should be
either entirely camera broadcast based (terradecks) or with a laptop
assist on site, using whatever app best works to stream.

the best app has to:

- be CPU/mem light on load
- easy to use - relatively, considering most users should be somewhat
computer savvy
- have a reliable secondary option - escalation path - livestream
fails, then wirecast, then FMLE...etc.

:) m.

On Nov 10, 10:53 pm, cseeman <> wrote:

Current version of Wirecast is 4.1.2. It's my software of choice. I
don't have audio issues. Audio can be complex to setup because it is
one of the view that allows multiple simultaneous audio sources which
can be composited (as well as video of course).

BTW Tricaster has some serious limitations. Great if you have all HD-
SDI on the high end or all composite BNC on the low end but otherwise
you may be spending serious money on adaptors Even the famous Leo
Laporte ends up taking the output of it to MacMinis to encode with
Adobe FMLE because Tricaster's encoder is limited. Tricaster really
doesn't have anything like Desktop Presenter (which can be finicky
when first setting it up) which can send Video and Audio over LAN from
every computer on that LAN. That gives you a good number of pseudo
camera inputs. The LAN has to be wired gigabit though because it needs
lots of bandwidth. I've also used Desktop Presenter and Skype Group
Video to have live virtual panel discussions. Basically with enough
computing power Wirecast could handle more total inputs than

Wirecast can handle HDMI with Blackmagic Intensity Pro cards. It can
handle Teradek Cube in as a live camera using WiFi mode (camera needs
to be no more than a couple hundred feet away though) but at least
they're not tethered to the laptop. It has to be Wirecast Pro version
though. It can also receive video from LiveU for long distance camera
work (needs to be on Windows Server though). Also has to be Pro
version. It can also handle certain IP cameras (again Pro version). If
you have Final Cut Pro installed it can record to hard drive in Apple
ProRes so you can have a high quality near uncompressed master for
editing. BTW Wirecast license allows you to run two copies and they
can be either Mac or Windows (you can run one on each if you'd like).
Wirecast can also stream to multiple CDNs at the same time. Some
people send to Livestream, Ustream, JustinTV (and use different
settings for each) at the same time with Wirecast.

If you'd like, I can come down Saturday to Lafayette and everything a
thorough look over, troubleshoot, and do a training.
Let me know ASAP.

If you're looking for something other than Livestream that's
professional white label BitGravity might be one possibility. I know
they have "sponsored" shows for some people.


On Nov 10, 8:04 pm, Melissa Ulto <> wrote:

hi peeps

so the time has come to review some of our options in streaming.
ideally, we should be using a white label service we can brand and
control. but that takes $$$.

in the meantime:

- tonight for a client i tried to stream using Procaster 20.2 - what a
nightmare - grabs all system resources and lists usage at 100% and
leads to total stream fail. i'm testing later which version to roll
back to successfully and will let you know. its a known issue in the
livestream forums. ugh...

- i've also used wirecast - which version Vlad are we shooting to use?
v3.x is pretty stable but 4.x is nicer. i'm not sure if there are
newer versions. the audio issues, however, ugh...

- a new player - Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder - works with
livestream accounts - lets test this - supposedly CPU/mem lite

eventually, for the studio, i see a Tricaster 850 and HDMI cameras -
but that's down the road. we should see if we can find a livestream
white label service that might donate or give a discount. livestream
is so wonky lately and frustrating to work with.

what other options - Ustream,, Boinxtv? also some
other services that aren't big brands...suggestions?

lets actively research a longer term solution.

:) m.