I want to say that some of us at OWS have been thinking about just this
idea. I know the finances group is putting together a plan, haven't seen
it yet, but I believe it is along these lines..
2011/11/11 Javier Martínez <javimartinez84 at gmail.com>
> but i think there could be another option that was discussed time ago in
> Madrid about construcing a crossfunding webpage.
> I mean, we have the tools to do not need to centralize the money people
> could donate. We can make it horizontal. The webpage
> would just show all the different projects of the global movement which
> are asking for money, categorized by thematic and localization for example.
> Then people just put the money in the project they like. Also the projects
> will be asked to tell how much do they need and to keep telling how is
> In this direction it may be nice to work
> 2011/11/11 Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
>> Hi Jay and everyone
>> Thankyou for this message. Isn;t there a major problem with this idea -
>> aside from the issue of assembly sovereignty and the initiative's
>> trajectory which looks to be counter to that (the principle of the movement
>> which is paramount) well even if you do work out an effective, genuinely
>> democratic collaborative and equitable approach to fundraising on this
>> basis, what happens when the funding dries up then effectively we are
>> slaves to the whims of those who give our groups money. Surely far better
>> to crowdsource funds direct to GAs ( which I believe, contrary to one point
>> in your email very much should be involved in financial decisions, albeit
>> via open, transparent assembly endorsed finance work groups) and then allow
>> them to redistribute globally to "assemblies in need" ? More I could say
>> but no time.
>> What do others think?
>> On 11 November 2011 01:48, Global Assemblies <ga at wc.tc> wrote:
>>> Hey All, I am putting together a funding proposal to fund a diversity of
>>> organizations involved in the movement.
>>> My strategy is that instead of me just putting in a proposal for my own
>>> organizations that I am involved with, we are more powerful as a movement
>>> to fund many organizations simultaneously.
>>> I feel that there is a top heavy approach going on with a few very large
>>> and financially powerful organizations being created in the movement, and
>>> so this effort I am embarking on is to try to bring in funds and disperse
>>> them throughout a diversity of smaller organizations across the country and
>>> the world.
>>> I personally need funds to be able to give the time and effort needed to
>>> support this movement, and I have talked to many more organizers who also
>>> need funds to be able to do there work.
>>> So the last thing I want is my organization to get a huge amount of
>>> funds and become an other node of top heavy financial power in the
>>> movement. Instead I'd rather help create a process to share and distribute
>>> funds throughout the movement. In that way there is less chance for
>>> corruption and misuse of funds, and although there are some cons which have
>>> to do with duplication etc, since most of the money would be going to
>>> individual people to pay their personal bills, I don't think as much
>>> duplication would be happening as you might think. All the rest of the
>>> money would also be part of a collective Participatory Budgeting Process to
>>> avoid duplication even though there are funds dispersed throughout a
>>> diversity of organizations, and anyone can be involved.
>>> So Here is the process that I am helping facilitate.
>>> Any organization that is supporting the movement, working within the
>>> movement, or wants to collaborate with the movement is eligible to be
>>> involved with this collaborative funding proposal.
>>> Our focus is on existing legal entities of any type, including
>>> 501(c)3's, 501(c)4's, PACs, businesses, corporations, or any other type of
>>> legal financial entity. If you are an organization that is planing or in
>>> the process of creating a legal entity, you are welcome to participate as
>>> The model we are working with, is that local General Assemblies do not
>>> need to make financial decisions because that bogs down the processes of
>>> the important work of finding solutions and collectively taking action, of
>>> course local GA's can be involved in financial decision if they want to.
>>> As an alternative our goal will be to create an access process for funds
>>> directly to individuals and groups working within the movement though a
>>> participatory budgeting process that everyone can be involved with. This
>>> process will create 4 types of organizations all working collaboratively
>>> 1) Groups and organizations working within the movement that have NO
>>> Funds and do not make financial decisions, but can be part of the
>>> Participatory Budgeting Process.
>>> 2) Legal Entities and Organizations working within the movement that
>>> have Funds and make financial decisions on a variety of projects. These
>>> organizations help facilitate the Participatory Budgeting Process.
>>> 3) Legal Entities and Organizations supporting the movement but from the
>>> outside. These organizations would sponsor financial organizations, and
>>> non-financial organizations within the movement, but will not be involved
>>> with the larger Participatory Budgeting Process, but subsidiaries of them
>>> may be involved.
>>> 4) Organizations throughout the greater society that do not directly
>>> support the movement, but indirectly-support the movement through their
>>> involvement in the dialogue and distribution of information, including
>>> independent media outlets. These groups would not be involved in the
>>> Participatory budgeting process.
>>> Here is a link to a diagram showing the relationship between these four
>>> So if you or your organization is interested in getting involved, this
>>> is what I will need from you within a simple email:
>>> 1) Legal Name of organization(s) (there may be a subsidiary)
>>> 2) Name of project or working group, or the name of the local General
>>> Assembly its related to, if applicable.
>>> 3) Type of entity - sole proprietorship, 501(c)3.....
>>> 4) Scope of organization and project for movement ( 2-3 sentences) (for
>>> more information just put a link)
>>> 5) Description of Budget Decision Making Process (1 paragraph) (you can
>>> submit this later if you don't have it now)
>>> 6) Budget (optional) includes existing budget, or amount of funds, if
>>> your organization already has funds.
>>> 7) Organizational Contact
>>> Your organization will be included within a collection of proposals from
>>> the movement that are being presented to high level coalitions of Funding
>>> Foundations. Everyone included in this collection of proposals will be
>>> publicly acknowledged. There is no way we can guarantee that an
>>> organizational name, budget, and information will be kept private, so if
>>> your organization is concerned about making its name or proposed budget
>>> publicly accessible, this process is not for you.
>>> Also this is not a fast process, but organizations that get there
>>> information in quickly will have priority in the first round of asking for
>>> funds. We cannot guarantee that we will be able to add additional
>>> organizations after the funding round starts, but it will always be
>>> possible to remove an organization. So if you are not sure if your
>>> organization wants to be involved, I recommend submitting your information
>>> for inclusion ASAP, and then if you want to back out, that will not be a
>>> problem. And of course, just because your organization submits its
>>> information does not guarantee that any funds will be awarded, but we will
>>> at least try to get you funds.
>>> If you have a project you are interested in doing to support the
>>> movement, and need funds for that project, but are not associated with any
>>> legal entity, this proposal process is not for you. Once we get the
>>> funding into the legal organizations, we will create an open and
>>> transparent process to accept project proposals, prioritize them, and fund
>>> them, but we are not ready for that yet, so please wait and do not submit
>>> your project proposals to me, I will not be able to include them, and I
>>> will not be able to fund them. Right now I am only pulling together the
>>> interested existing legal entities, or people in the process of creating
>>> legal entities to take on the responsibility of managing finances. Once
>>> this is formed we will discuss accepting project proposals as part of the
>>> larger Participatory Budgeting Process. Thank you for your patience.
>>> If you are a local General Assembly and are interested in getting funds,
>>> or more funds, for your local group, you are welcome to join with this
>>> process even if you do not currently have a sponsoring legal entity, just
>>> state that you are looking for legal sponsorship when answering question #1.
>>> If you know of other people or organizations who may be interested in
>>> funding, feel free to forward them this email. This is an open and
>>> transparent process and everyone is welcome to be involved, you do not need
>>> to ask me first.
>>> That is it for the funding proposal, now I'm going to switch gears to
>>> Financial Management...
>>> Additionally for everyone interested in discussion about Financial
>>> Management within the movement, and support for local organizations, we are
>>> putting together the National Financial Management Working Group. This
>>> group has no decision making authority, and is just coming together for
>>> discussion on fundraising opportunities, and local/national/international
>>> financial management. Many local groups have been having trouble dealing
>>> with their local finances, and so it has been requested to have a space to
>>> discuss options for financial management.
>>> Currently it looks as if the first meeting will take place next
>>> Wednesday evening/night. But you can vote here to help us finalize the
>>> best time. Here is the link for the Voting form for the National Financial
>>> Management Working Group:
>>> National Financial Management Working Group:
>>> - Link for Meeting Scheduling Form:
>>> - Communication Email list: (mailman)
>>> We will send out a notice when the final time is set for the meeting.
>>> I look forward to helping you get funding for your organizations, and
>>> helping all of us to get funding together.
>>> Together we are more powerful than alone.
>>> Jay Blas Jacob Cabrera
>>> (415) 323-5833
>>> http://GeneralAssemblies.info <http://generalassemblies.info/>
>>> http://JaysLIFE.net <http://jayslife.net/>
>>> http://Jelo.in <http://jelo.in/>