Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Fwd: Egypt
From: Alexander Penley
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:10:43 -0500
To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com

*twinkly fingaz*

On 14 November 2011 10:07, Bruce Wagner <bruce@onlyonetv.com> wrote:
Isn't anyone at liberty to pay for their own trip to Egypt and go...?

No approvals needed for that.


On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote:
> someone should reach out to the "movement building" working group and let
> them know that the egyptians need help this week before and when they take
> tahrir.  the discussions need to speedup.
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com>
>> Date: November 14, 2011 9:49:03 AM EST
>> To: Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com>
>> Cc: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com, Lauri Faggioni
>> <lfaggioni@me.com>, movementbuildingny@googlegroups.com, jwedes@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Fwd: Egypt
>>
>> Hi Cari
>> You're right, I don't believe we have met -- I'm with the media working
>> group.
>> The info I put out re movement-building and the timeline for an amendment
>> came from another of our colleagues, Marisa Holmes who asked me to send it
>> out to our group. She ran down to 60 Wall last night to speak to MB to try
>> to buy us all some time on this. We spent all day yesterday talking with
>> activists on the ground in Egypt and people active on the issue here to try
>> to get a sense of where different people stand and what the possible role of
>> a delegation could be, given the political implications.  Believe it or not
>> there are many people, not just yourself, that are concerned about this.
>> The best way for us to be able to make informed decisions is to inform
>> ourselves and share information - I can tell you that I'll be sharing the
>> information I have with my WG at our Tuesday meeting.
>> Marisa was present at the meeting last night when movement-building
>> consensed upon the following timeline:
>> 1. Wednesday eve - 1st Info session for all
>> 2. Friday eve - 2nd info session culminating in consensus on either a new
>> proposal or a friendly amendment to the existing proposal
>> 3. Sat GA - Either amendment or new proposal will be taken in front of the
>> GA, for consensus
>> If you still believe this info to be incorrect, pls contact Marisa so we
>> can clear it up.
>> Best
>> Josh vP
>>
>> Joshua van Praag
>> jvanpraag@mac.com
>> +1 347 445 8315
>> +44 (0)7787 896952
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 2:28 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
>>
>> ows is you
>> as for me i am in meetings and movement moving
>> direct action IS!!!!!
>> and i see victoria working her 'little' ass off livestreaming everything
>> she can
>> these are not 'assemblies'
>> comparatives like timeline/linear likenesses are illogical when we are
>> functioning in spheres - spiral cones - nodes non-linear models
>>
>> Cari Machet
>> NYC 646-436-7795
>> carimachet@gmail.com
>> AIM carismachet
>> Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434
>> Syria +963-099 277 3243
>> Amman +962 077 636 9407
>> Twitter: @carimachet
>> dot connector
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> and our model is take the square - they are taking tahrir on friday.
>>> where is ows going to be? in another assembly?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> those are not the 'biggest concerns'
>>>> the biggest concerns have not been consented on yet
>>>> the deepest concern is FOR ME that we would be possibly legitimizing a
>>>> shadow/junta government by being involved in an election process even though
>>>> only peripherally
>>>> our model is our message - following our model is important
>>>> optics - who cares - not me - i care about reality
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cari Machet
>>>> NYC 646-436-7795
>>>> carimachet@gmail.com
>>>> AIM carismachet
>>>> Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434
>>>> Syria +963-099 277 3243
>>>> Amman +962 077 636 9407
>>>> Twitter: @carimachet
>>>> dot connector
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's important to evaluate where information is coming from and
>>>>> separating what seem to be the two biggest concerns:
>>>>> 1) The political/optics implications in involving ourselves in this
>>>>> project
>>>>> and
>>>>> 2) The difficulty working groups are having in selecting their
>>>>> representatives.
>>>>> Just my $.02
>>>>> -j
>>>>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> listen when ever someone is using language like:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Hopefully this will clarify some important details it seems are still
>>>>> unknown to many people in this working group and others.'
>>>>>
>>>>> are you in our working group?
>>>>> you do not know what i do not know 'still unkown"
>>>>> i have never heard your name -
>>>>> do i know you?
>>>>> YOU are the unknown
>>>>> your information is not correct here
>>>>> we are working very hard and do not need people to put out
>>>>> misinformation
>>>>> please check our website for ACTUAL minutes of meetings and details
>>>>> ++++i would appreciate a retraction of the information in this email
>>>>> ASAP++++++
>>>>> i am not going to correct all the exact misinformation here
>>>>> but i will say we are not presenting anything to spokes council -
>>>>> spokes council is a still forming body and beyond that we only present
>>>>> proposals to the GA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cari Machet
>>>>> NYC 646-436-7795
>>>>> carimachet@gmail.com
>>>>> AIM carismachet
>>>>> Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434
>>>>> Syria +963-099 277 3243
>>>>> Amman +962 077 636 9407
>>>>> Twitter: @carimachet
>>>>> dot connector
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Alexander Penley
>>>>> <Alexander@penleygloballaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perfect! Thanks all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2011 7:12 PM, "Lauri Faggioni" <lfaggioni@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@mac.com>
>>>>>>> Date: November 13, 2011 7:09:57 PM EST
>>>>>>> To: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@me.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Egypt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear comrades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This Egypt delegation has fast become a very controversial issue, and
>>>>>>> it's clear to anyone who is a little informed as to the plurality of voices
>>>>>>> on the ground in Egypt, that a clarifying statement of the delegation's
>>>>>>> position on the upcoming parliamentary elections and possibly other matters
>>>>>>> besides, will need to be added as a friendly amendment to the pre-existing
>>>>>>> proposal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The movement-building working group will hold an info session on
>>>>>>> Wednesday which all are encouraged to please attend. Hopefully this will
>>>>>>> clarify some important details it seems are still unknown to many people in
>>>>>>> this working group and others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Movement-building will be taking the responsibility of crafting the
>>>>>>> amendment and will be taking ideas from anyone that wants to contribute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, the friendly amendment will be presented to the Spokes
>>>>>>> Council.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Solidarity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joshua van Praag
>>>>>>> jvanpraag@mac.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 347 445 8315
>>>>>>> +44 (0)7787 896952
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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