Subject: [NYCGA-IWG] To David for his heroism
From: elly
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 01:04:27 -0800

Hi, David,

Sorry to hear about your bad luck yesterday. I assume that the occurrences of last week make you much more committed and serious to the movement, as they have to many of us as well. There is no reason our government needs to use military weapons against its citizens, especially as everything is already thoroughly monitored and they know whats going on. It's despicable and unacceptable.

That being said, out here in the land of fruits and nuts, (couldn't resist) Oakland decided to behave when their encampment was shut down, and the powers that be are allowing encampments at UC Berkeley. Oakland marched over to Berkeley tonight, and Robert Reich spoke in honor of Mario Salvio.

For some reason, at first, the wiki looked too techie, but I can see it filling out and I'm beginning to be able to find answers. I will stop promoting the other one. It's been difficult to navigate all of the different groups and developments, but  things seem to be consolidating on many fronts. Once again, thanks for being a hero on the ground and online.

On 11/16/2011 12:25 AM, Devin Balkind wrote:
Elly, information is easier to access if we all use the same wiki. has lots of stuff already filled out in it and it's open source.  If you want to wiki about the occupation, please use that one.  there's a dozen person team incubating to build it out and we're connected to a bunch of other wiki project.

Charles, sometimes effectiveness sucks.  If we focused on deploying effective turn key solutions we'd very likely have a 100k person email list running proprietary software and operated by a group like the people (aka people not accountable to our GA, much less the GAs at other occupation) that spews official sounding messages and defines the movement from the top down.  Instead, we've let the movement building group mature to develop authentic contacts at a wide variety of occupations, the outreach group has created their own interim solution, and everyone is excited to move forward with a responsibly managed Civi.  I consider this a great position.

So, Charles and others with Civi experience - let's put together an amazing civi workshop and strategy session for the movement building and outreach folks.  Maybe we could aim for a Friday event?  Let me know if you'd like to meet beforehand to work with me on developing the workshop/session. 

I apologize for the missing the civi meeting today.  I was in jail, where I had lots of time to think about civi permissions.  I'll post some ideas on the wiki tomorrow.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Sam Zimmerman <> wrote:
all -

Following up on Charles' comment that a plug-and-play CRM tool was available 10 weeks ago, let's take the work that has happened in the past 10 weeks as a realistic measure of the group's bandwidth, and going forward for the near future assess needs and potential solutions with that yardstick.

imo, getting stable systems off the ground rapidly to effectively outreach and engage potential participants in the movement is of tip-top importance so we can scale rapidly, even if rapid scaling comes at a cost of not "owning" all of the systems, not fully open source, etc.  Holding out for purer solutions could result in losing the moment when momentum was greatest.  Marches and rallies in NYC could be much bigger by now if people only knew what was going on or where to reliably turn to for information.

- Sam

Devin Balkind