Subject: Re: [NYCGA-IWG] Suggestion
From: fragro
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:53:00 -0600
To: internet_working_group@googlegroups.com

We already have trouble bringing volunteers into the the group. That will become significantly harder if we encrypt everything. That's the most practical reason not to encrypt anything.

We should fundamentally be public, open, and transparent because we should be the change we want to see. If you are afraid of getting rounded up and thrown into some FEMA camp then take the necessary precautions. I have violated no law, and like Felipo said, we are enforcing the law! I'm not afraid of anything.

Frank Grove

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, evy brown <eb4justice@gmail.com> wrote:
I must say that I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone feels the need to begin a secret society.  Isn't that what we accuse government and corporations of doing? 

Some of you won't like to hear this but some of us who have been long time public interest advocates and we are struggling each day to shine a bright light on abuse.  We need the support of OWS.  We will be the ones to lend assistance when needed.  Collaboration is key! 

I just wish I could get to the right people within OWS to help you all! 

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Chaz Cheadle <ccheadle@gmail.com> wrote:
Once the semantics of the technology are worked on, in GA's/Spokes etc. then the IWG can make efforts to bring it to life. But policy and ethics are not our charge here.

thanks all,
chaz


On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Thiago de Mello Bueno <thiago@madeofpeople.org> wrote:
It's also true that if you did use your real info (i did) then they already know (insert ominous music), changing it now wont really help.
Still, that's the world I want to live in, where I can dissent openly. I may come to regret it but I can't live with the expectation that that's where things will head or I've already lost hope.

On Nov 17, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Lefty wrote:

> There are contexts in which this makes sense, and others where it doesn't. The choice of anonymity versus not should be a strategic one, not a "because someone says so", especially not when based on an "appeal to awe".
>
> I yam what I yam. And I ain't hidin'.
>
> __
> Sent from my Steve-Phone
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:41 AM, william buster <williambuster63@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I personally want to feds to WORK for monitoring us. They beat us? we are idiots to just play by their rules, make it easy is foolish. We are very naive as a movement at times. Alot of highly experienced activists give valuable advice THAT WORKS that is too often ignored. We didnt invent activism or the wheel. If people are going to waste tax dollars, then lets make them fucking bankrupt.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:31 AM, elly <urbanpubedreform@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi. I really wouldn't know how to change all of my names, etc...Also, this movement is about being transparent. It's time we start trusting one another.
>>
>> If we are all busted for freedom of speech, someone is going to rescue us. I have nothing to hide. And, if there are idiots among us, they need to wise up.
>>
>> Am I correct, or totally naive?
>>
>>
>> On 11/16/2011 11:49 PM, william buster wrote:
>> Hi Folks.
>>
>> I think that as a group, though totally peaceful and well within all international law,  being so heavily monitored, we advocate ALL USA OWS  movement supporters to change private screen names, passwords, phone numbers ASAP and, if possible, start using different computers in different locations for NON google group related communications, and messaging more securely between camps, media. I think we are infiltrated more than expected before, and I would like to make fed bitches work for their monitoring of peaceful civilians. *It's illegal, we are not terrorists, and anyone talking like one needs to be flushed out before FEDS areest everyone to get at the idiots among us...
>>
>>  We need to be more mindful than we have been about phone calls. Not being paranoid, I just want to FUCK WITH them PSY-OPS the cops and feds back for the shit they put their people, human family through.
>>
>> Still we must make it HARDER for us to be covered. make FEDS waste money on monitoring innocent civilians on an even more massive scale We need to drain their resources more. If you think it's stupid idea, I suggest you think again.
>>
>> Bill Buster
>> LONG time activist
>>





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