Some comments we feel would be valuable to this important discussion:
Our primary design goal is usability and accessibility to minimally / non-technical users - it's our position that attempting levels of security that come at the cost of surrendering operational maintenance to an Expert Class, however well-meaning and supportive, are risky and politically suboptimal in short and long term.
Our secondary design goal is to utilize free, widely available, and non-commercial components wherever possible, such that these efforts do not tax users with add'l cost and minimally enrich IP owners who work against the movement.
Finally it will not attempt to provide "hard" operational security - this is an illusion - but will provide at least the level of data integrity, tamper-proofing, and privacy offered nominally through commercial services.
We do generally assume that folks will choose to operate openly and will not rely on the system to obscure them totally from law enforcement. But we feel offering data custody, addressing as distinct from carrier-operated services, and ability to manage dial paths & choose own levels of security, are valuable _options_ for independent working groups. And what we deliver will be a tool for working groups to use, manipulate, and build on as they see fit, not Our Service.
We feel compelled to note that our own choice to remain pseudonymous and address you severally is both strategic and tactical and nature, having as much to do with forswearing individual attribution as it does with providing any material operational security.
On Nov 17, 11, at 11:29 AM, Dallas Carter wrote:
Pidgin + OTR plugin = free and easy. For a start.
People's PBX should get us off of our cell phones with our real names tied to them to some degree, if people desire that. Also provides a great deal of flexibility in terms of masking the actual physical location of call participants.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:00 PM, planetary <email@example.com>
Part of the objective of the People's PBX project we are developing (independently deployable IP telephone system designed for occupations) is to provide folks with the option for full custody of their calling data, control over encryption, and maximum independence from the Corporatocratic Backbone and its built-in surveillance capability.
Our general bias is away from excessive OpSec, but we want to offer folks - especially communities historically targeted by Law Enforcement who wish to be more active in the movement - some good options to conduct their affairs as privately as they see fit, or to at least as you more aptly describe it, increase the workload of those who would surveil or disrupt communications.
On Nov 17, 11, at 1:41 AM, william buster wrote:
I personally want to feds to WORK for monitoring us. They beat us? we are idiots to just play by their rules, make it easy is foolish. We are very naive as a movement at times. Alot of highly experienced activists give valuable advice THAT WORKS that is too often ignored. We didnt invent activism or the wheel. If people are going to waste tax dollars, then lets make them fucking bankrupt.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:31 AM, elly <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Hi. I really wouldn't know how to change all of my names, etc...Also, this movement is about being transparent. It's time we start trusting one another.
If we are all busted for freedom of speech, someone is going to rescue us. I have nothing to hide. And, if there are idiots among us, they need to wise up.
Am I correct, or totally naive?
On 11/16/2011 11:49 PM, william buster wrote:
I think that as a group, though totally peaceful and well within all international law, being so heavily monitored, we advocate ALL USA OWS movement supporters to change private screen names, passwords, phone numbers ASAP and, if possible, start using different computers in different locations for NON google group related communications, and messaging more securely between camps, media. I think we are infiltrated more than expected before, and I would like to make fed bitches work for their monitoring of peaceful civilians. *It's illegal, we are not terrorists, and anyone talking like one needs to be flushed out before FEDS areest everyone to get at the idiots among us...
We need to be more mindful than we have been about phone calls. Not being paranoid, I just want to FUCK WITH them PSY-OPS the cops and feds back for the shit they put their people, human family through.
Still we must make it HARDER for us to be covered. make FEDS waste money on monitoring innocent civilians on an even more massive scale We need to drain their resources more. If you think it's stupid idea, I suggest you think again.
LONG time activist