From:   Winter Siroco <>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:53:59 AM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official]

I will be there, but we should have a discussion about the Principles of Solidarity which I am not sure if it is proposed at the GA at 1:00.
I have some major issues with the Principles of solidarity that is about to be proposed. It does not mention the oppression to undocumented workers, students and child (which I consider the civil rights grievance of the times being enforced by mass deportation, denial of human rights, and racist state legislations as we speak), or other forms of oppression such as racism, homophobia,  patriarchy, etc.
I strongly suggest to postpone the proposal of this document.

I am glad that, somehow, after a lot of bouncing in the Plaza we got the Declaration of the Occupation of Wall Street and, those on the ground please make a thousand copies to hand out at the information booth!!! Please replace for the beach going party pamphlet currently handled to visitors that does not make us look serious, or at a minimum change the aesthetics of the pamphlet. We are being visited by the working class who may not understand the irony.
BUT, we should start to implement a better process for the elaboration of our documents if we are serious about Direct Participatory Democracy and Transparent Government. 

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:
that would be great. can we make the meeting at 1:30?

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Amin Husain <> wrote:
I am not sure.  We can meet today in the afternoon before the march after 12, if you and others are free.  I could also explain how this fits into the demands discussion that is on-going and how it's evolving.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:
when is the group's next meeting?

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Amin Husain <> wrote:
The working group on principles of solidarity has the document printed to be put before the GA to discuss and reach consensus.  If time permits, that may be today.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:
I'd love to. When and where is the group that is working on demands and points of solidarity meeting?

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <> wrote:

We should be able to modify our documents, and it would be wise to do so at this early stage. Indeed the points that you are raising are very important. I urge you to team with those interested and elaborate a modification that addresses the issues raised. 

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:
I'm very glad that we have this, and overall it's very good, but it's missing one big thing: there is no mention of how Wall Street created the economic crisis that destroyed millions of jobs, and how Wall Street was bailed out of its crisis by cutting vital public services! Any chance we can get that added? I realize that this list is not meant to include every grievance, but this is incredibly important and central to the damage done by Wall Street specifically, as opposed to capitalism as a whole. Frankly, we would not be occupying Liberty Park now if it weren't for the economic crisis - that's what set all this in motion. To not include it here seems like a major omission, and may make it harder to do outreach to the public sector unions that have started supporting us.


On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
Love it!

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Cesar <> wrote:
Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents.

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On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <> wrote: