From:   Matthew Presto <>
Sent time:   Monday, October 03, 2011 5:04:34 AM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Liberty Park is filling to capacity. We need to plan for overflow.

Similar to the way that the decision was reached to occupy our current site, I would recommend empowering a working group (perhaps a new one for this purpose) to scout out a second location, determine when it would be occupied, and make the announcement to everyone not too long beforehand, so as to minimize police disruption. I wouldn't be part of this group, but if you are interested, I wouldn't say so on this listserv. What are some thoughts about this approach?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:11 AM, <> wrote:
I won't see anybody in person for a while for a while so try searching nyc community gardens 
On 10/02/11, Doug Singsen<> wrote:
We should only discuss future locations in person.

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:01 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:
We are Occupy Wall Street, moving to Washington Square Park will make
de-politicise this occupation its symbolic and direct action! We are
gaining momentum because it is in Wall Street. If we do take this
anywhere else in NYC, it should be politically strategic change, like
in front of the United Nations.
I am sorry i will stand with the 99% wherever we decide to go, but we
should think strategically, even if we are larger in numbers, by
moving further from the heart of the problem and wall street, We will
lose political clout. We need a place that send a resounding message
to the rest of the world. United Nations is a good place to occupy to
get that message across.
How? not sure, but there is a lot of space in front of the UN, not as
lovely as washington square but politically more potent.

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, hextic <> wrote:
> Currently, the NYPD has allowed Liberty Park to be occupied, and from
> what I see the occupation there is stable.  Though, I am sure that
> they are looking for any excuse to clear the park.  One such excuse
> could easily become sanitation or health concerns due to crowding.
> These excuses are very PR-friendly for the NYPD.
> In order to expand the occupation we need to occupy another park,
> preferably a larger one.  We should absolutely continue to use Liberty
> Park as our primary demonstration site and rallying point, but it will
> not house the entire 99%.  I propose that we explore how we might
> assume control of Washington Square Park.  As public land, there is no
> excuse for eviction that we are trespassing.  A physically large
> presence in the park will make NYPD interference difficult because
> they will have to wade through a sea of people to find the one person
> who happens to be wearing a mask or more recently, has chained a
> bicycle to something.  There are arches which we can triumphantly
> march through and return through.  The open aerial coverage presents
> multiple excellent media photography opportunities, capturing us as a
> sea of people like the pictures we saw from Tahrir Square in Egypt.
> This move would also serve to greatly expand the demonstration.  I
> suspect that the Liberty Park demonstration is self-limiting.  People
> will not willingly walk into a too-dense crowd of people.  So, the
> physical dimensions of Liberty Plaza limits the number of occupants
> naturally, potentially making the choice between whether a person
> stays the night, ensuring participation the next day or not.
> I do not propose that we occupy Washington Square Park immediately,
> only that we begin planning for it.  On Wednesday, we will have
> significant numbers of people which we will want to encourage to stay
> by any and all mans.  I suggest that once the march returns to Liberty
> Park, we use the People's Mic to announce that anyone who would like
> to stay but cannot find space there, to form a march to Washington
> Square Park to found a brand new encampment there.