From:   Will Gauss <>
Sent time:   Monday, October 03, 2011 1:16:49 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Re: Fwd: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses, drivers, for Bridge arrests

I have no doubt that they will be found not guilty, but there is the significant concern that the NYPD can use bogus arrests to unjustly take people off the streets in legitimate expression of speech. Therefore, we MUST establisha precedent of police and governments being required to be injured in some way, likely financial to deter bogus mass arrests in the future. It is clear from past IA investigation history that the police cannot be trusted to police themselves.


We must also ensure that ordinary officers are not harmed. The commanders and officials who ordered these bogus kidnappings must be the ones held to account for their actions.


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On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:09 PM, shaista husain <> wrote:


> Will Gauss, the tickets/fines and summons must be revoked, this will

> establish a precedent for all other occupations now mobilizing across

> the US.


> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Will Gauss <> wrote:

>> The NYPD will have a very hard time justifying a total approaching 1,000

>> arrests at a peaceful political demonstration. In many cases, the people

>> being led away were not actually charged of a crime or even told "you are

>> under arrest". In cases like mine, we were simply thrown to the ground,

>> restrained, and left locked in a van somewhere before being turned loose.

>> Even if there is no prior precedent for this, to guarantee our basic,

>> fundamental civil liberties and prevent such atrocities from being attempted

>> in the future we must establish this precedent.


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>> On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:


>> That seems like a huge stretch legally. Even if the violations are

>> overturned, I seriously doubt that the arrests could be legally found to be

>> kidnapping, in which case the MTA employees would end up losing their jobs

>> for refusing.


>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Will Gauss <> wrote:


>>> IANAL, but provisions of a contract which require violation of the law are

>>> unenforceable. Terminating their employment for refusing to kidnap

>>> innocents may well put the city in breach of contract.


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>>> On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:


>>> I was told no - that they would be fired if they refused - by a TWU

>>> staffer. But the union can put political pressure on the NYPD and mayor.


>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, hextic <> wrote:


>>>> Would these bus operators have any standing refusing to perform an

>>>> illegal action and refusing to become an accomplice in what is

>>>> essentially 700 counts of kidnapping and assault?


>>>> On Oct 3, 9:53 am, Doug Singsen <> wrote:

>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>>> From: <>

>>>>> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM

>>>>> Subject: [Labor OWS] TWU Blasts City for NYPD commandeering MTA buses,

>>>>> drivers, for Bridge arrests

>>>>> To:


>>>>> This is huge. TWU's response to this outrage is great.

>>>>> Notice the cops got MTA bosses to order drivers to drive the

>>>>> commandeered

>>>>> buses.


>>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------

>>>>> From: Dan DiMaggio

>>>>> To:

>>>>> Subject:TWU Blasts City for Putting Occupy Wall St. Arrestees on Buses

>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:36:47 -0400


>>>>> "The Transport Workers

>>>>> Union will go to court Monday to try to stop the city from forcing bus

>>>>> drivers to

>>>>> transport Wall Street protesters arrested by the NYPD, the Daily News

>>>>> has

>>>>> learned...

>>>>> "TWU Local 100 supports the protesters on Wall Street and takes great

>>>>> offense that the mayor and NYPD have ordered operators to transport

>>>>> citizens

>>>>> who were exercising their constitutional right to protest - and

>>>>> shouldn't

>>>>> have been arrested in the first place," Samuelsen said Sunday night.


>>>>> Full:

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