From:   Keegan <>
Sent time:   Monday, October 03, 2011 2:41:18 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] URGENT: Safer Spaces and Non-violence

I don't think the issue is that one particular individual has been asked to leave the space, but that the Safer Spaces Committee subverted the democratic process and caused the biggest tension between occupiers I have seen at Liberty Plaza. We should make sure this does not happen again. As you said Jon, keeping Liberty Plaza safe should be everyone's priority right now, and we should not allow people to bring outside drama into the space. That does not create a safe space, it creates a divided, unsafe space. I feel that if people are acting safe and peaceful within the space, they are welcome. If they are not, they are not.

I support peaceful, open dialogue. OWS is proving it can work, and giving me hope.


On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Jon Good <> wrote:
Oh, for fuck's sake.  PLEASE DO NOT have any of this discussion within Liberty Plaza.  It will be an all-singing, all-dancing shit show.  There are plenty of public, open spaces (some even nearby the square) that will be less problematic.  As Mellow Yellow admits, this issue has torn apart activist circles again and again and again and again.  

I really think both sides need to walk away, right now.  There are thousands of us.  No single person is important enough that their physical presence at OWS will make any difference or be integral to the movement. There are plenty of things you can do to help the occupation that do not require you to physically be at Liberty Plaza. Please do those. Please do not turnthis ridiculously convoluted issue into our problem.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Mellow Yellow <> wrote:
Hi All Amazing and Peaceful people,

I am going to propose at tonight's GA (if there is a nycga listserve can someone re-post this there) that the NYC GA become a signatory supporter of the statement on the website below. 

Non-police individuals who have a history of violent language, threats and behavior towards myself and other activists were seen at Liberty Plaza Sunday afternoon/evening. I have spoken to many people who witnessed abusive and aggressive language and behavior last night during the GA seeking the expulsion of other individuals who HAVE NOT exhibited violent or abusive behavior at Liberty Plaza. Unfortunately it seems that the majority of the "Safer Spaces" working group is complicit in this behavior within OWS space, and there will also hopefully be some discussion about working group accountability, for ALL WORKING GROUPS tonight. If any representatives of the Safer Spaces group would like to meet with me at Liberty Plaza at 6pm under the red thing to address these concerns in a non-violent manner, I would really appreciate the chance speak and listen to them regarding the group's actions. Abuse, inter-personal violence and oppression of all forms are serious, and I am not defending abusers. However, survivors and abusers both require support in moving on, either from being a victim or to being held accountable. Accountability and Safer Space are the crux of the Occupation.
PLEASE TAKE THIS INTERNAL THREAT VERY SERIOUSLY, as it is a part of a very divisive and ugly history within the New York City activist/anarchist community. I do not want to see OWS implode from the inside. The Banksters and the State will have an easy time sweeping us away if we get bogged down in violent infighting instead of the civil, horizontal consensus process we have enjoyed thus far.

With Sincerity and Peace in my heart,
Mellow Yellow