From:   gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Monday, October 03, 2011 3:11:26 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City [official]
 

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
May we call for this new group Economics or Global Democracy (named
after your statement on Global Democracy, in last night;s GA) can we
call the meeting on Tuesday at 3pm? or any time you feel... many many
folks in the GA have expressed their need to join a group like this.
Please lead the way.
in solidarity,
shaista

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
> As we start to elaborate our discourse, we should also improve its process.
> The Principles of Solidarity was about to omit specific mention to
> immigration, racism, etc. while stressing some other issues. It was added at
> the last minute, and it would have been quite a flawed document without it.
> We should improve our organization and process on the ground and online to
> be sure that all voices are heard.
> Some of us mentioned yesterday that it would be a great idea to kick start
> the working group on Economics, and the call for the formation of this
> working group is planned to be raised today during the assemblies. This is
> about to be the most important theme for the Wall Street occupation, I guess
> and hope. We should learn from our mistakes of yesterday and bring together
> a diversity of motivated and knowledgeable people to deal with the economic
> problems and solutions.
> Cesar
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, sorry, i was quick to react, i apologize, yes, Declaration of
>> Occupation--can be strengthened, while discrimination in the workplace
>> is real, we can also show how race is central to the whole nature of
>> capitalist hegemony in the world and not a by product or footnote but
>> a global systemic problem..  I propose a working group on Economics.
>> We can also bring basic human rights questions to the fore, not just
>> domestic rights that have been usurped by Patriot Act and the
>> liquidation of our Civil Liberties--but we can take the opportunity to
>> fully implicate NATO/United Nations in our protest against wall
>> street, implicate Washington DC directly in our demonstrations, so
>> that the distance between Wall Street, Pentagon/ White House and the
>> United Nations/NATO is unveiled and exposed and made clear to all,
>> that we are addressing the heart of the matter, geopolitically, WE ARE
>> FULLY aware of our situation on the map. As victims of wall street we
>> must stand in solidarity with millions of victims abroad, our numbers
>> increase exponentially when we speak from this position. We can
>> elucidate on the points you made in the Declaration through a working
>> group, gather more information, put forward these issues for further
>> discussion and show the world that we can provide democratic solutions
>> in respect of our position in this global system... That we are
>> serious about taking back our economy from ruthless and stupid greedy
>> warmongers and we can arise at intelligent solutions. Obama was hired
>> to do this work but he does not work for us. We say food not bomb,
>> education not more prisons. end of global system of racism. we have
>> nothing to lose and a whole sustainable earth to gain.
>> In international solidarity,
>> Shaista
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I agree that those elements could be strengthened in that statement, but
>> > what you're talking about is the Declaration of the Occupation, not the
>> > Principles of Solidarity. The latter is set to be discussed at tomorrow
>> > night's GA and I believe does contain points related to immigration and
>> > imperialism. The text hasn't been circulated on the internet in draft
>> > form
>> > in order to avoid it being spread all over before the GA approves it.
>> > And
>> > the Declaration does have some mention of racism and imperialism,
>> > although I
>> > agree they could be augmented and strengthened:
>> >
>> > They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace
>> > based
>> > on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual
>> > orientation.
>> >
>> > They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have
>> > participated
>> > in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
>> >
>> > Doug S
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:40 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> With all due respect,
>> >> Reading the Principles of Solidarity, it is disturbing to me that the
>> >> concern for the rights of animals is mentioned, but immigrants rights
>> >> are forgotten, and what about those stuck in guantanamo without due
>> >> process tortured worse than animals, these are human beings. What
>> >> happened to Civil Liberties--if we are to address democracy at all,
>> >> how about some basic liberal rights we have lost in the War on Terror.
>> >>
>> >> I am in need of more solidarity on the international front.
>> >>
>> >> Please if you can add this I would feel less disenfranchised from
>> >> these principles of solidarity. I gleefully worked the food booth, I
>> >> am so happy to be part of this movement, in  that we can negate the
>> >> logic of greed in our everyday practice, on the ground, we can show
>> >> this city that we can provide free food through donation, this is a
>> >> revolutionary principle and am so grateful that i can be part of this.
>> >> This is a principle of solidarity that is learned through the
>> >> occupation, that we are not "jobless frustrated youth with nothing to
>> >> do" that we are willing to work, and work hard for "revolution."
>> >>
>> >> Please consider adding this to the the Principles of Solidarity with
>> >> the poor, disenfranchised, with the destitute and the the victims of
>> >> WALL STREET. but we must never forget that there are worse victims
>> >> than us, the victims of the US gov't and its endless greed for power
>> >> and war.
>> >>
>> >> Goldman Sachs and the bankers run wall street-; wall street runs our
>> >> goverment, our goverment runs UN/NATO. There is no escaping this logic
>> >> of power of a failed world system.
>> >>
>> >> The WORLD is WATCHING US--millions of victims of Wall Street
>> >> everywhere in the world are expecting some good news from us, please
>> >> let us STAND in solidarity with the overwhelming democratic and
>> >> anti-austerity mobilizations from Tahrir to Wisconsin. It is
>> >> imperative that we, NEW YORKERS, immigrants, make a clear call to
>> >> stand in PRINCIPLED SOLIDARITY with global class war against war and
>> >> against the capitalist class based here in WALL ST. for victims far
>> >> worse than us in the global economy.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you and forgive the screaming,
>> >> Shaista Husain
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Shaista
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:20 PM, shaista husain
>> >> <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Congratulations on this document, has it been approved by GA,
>> >> > ratified
>> >> > by consensus?
>> >> > Please may i add some feedback:  I was reading down the list and very
>> >> > excited by this point here, however, can we please make a case about
>> >> > the torture of political prisoners as well as animals... There is
>> >> > pelican bay hunger strike currently ongoing, as well as Guantano Bay
>> >> > torture waterboarding, etc as well secret detentions abroad (Bagram
>> >> > etc in Afghanistan) can we please add human beings, the end of
>> >> > Patriot
>> >> > Act and return of civil liberties in the same line as our concern for
>> >> > animals. The War on Terror is a racist war that has dehumanized the
>> >> > "enemy" most of whom do not even own a donkey. Please, considering
>> >> > the
>> >> > recent Troy Davis case, it is imperative to defend the rights of
>> >> > prisoners and denounce this unjust penal (domestic) and international
>> >> > military police state--even in the same line as with animal rights,
>> >> > if
>> >> > need be.
>> >> > Thank you,
>> >> > Shaista Husain
>> >> >
>> >> > "They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel
>> >> > treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> spread this far and wide! Short code: http://nycga.cc/?p=780
>> >> >> print for saturday
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

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