From:   Doug Singsen <>
Sent time:   Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:25:10 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR


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On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <> wrote:
WTF?  I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this.  It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation.  

Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA.

Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things.  We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy.  Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us. 

I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word.



On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <> wrote:
Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work.


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From: R M <>
Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR
To: J Wedes <>

Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <> wrote:
Hi Rebecca,

Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv?

I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <> wrote:
Hi Justin,

Nice to meet you briefly today.

Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks Fifth Avenue.

He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did about Saturday's protests:

We should both be in touch with these folks, right?

Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same.

Be well,

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From: Rebecca Manski <>
Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM
Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR

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From: William Schwartz <>
Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Workhouse PR
To: Rebecca Manski <>

Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too.

William Schwartz


On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <> wrote:

Are you joking!

On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <> wrote:
> They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on twitter
> incase you want to get in touch with them?
> William Schwartz
> 917.385.5047