From:   jemcgloin@verizon.net
Sent time:   Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:36:06 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR
 

 I actually think your stategy is backward.  The way i see it first you get large numbers of people to join by showing how reasonable you are.  Then when the numbers are big enough, they will feel their oats, get impatient, and start demanding more than you could have imagined.  (Never underestimate mob mentality.)  But if you talk about overthrowing governments, capitalism or wholesale changes, most of the 99% will be scared off, and we'll never have the power we need to affect real change.  In order to fight the global coporations I estimate we need a minimum of 15 million Americans on the street.  There are not 15 million radical socialist/anarchists in the US.  We need people without political agendas, but with anger at coporations.
I am also wary of using PR firms, by the way.  (Athough the fact that anyone can call and be a "spokesman" shows one of our weaknesses.)
 
 
On 10/04/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote:

Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America.

While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread.

But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more radical point of view in a reasonable way.


On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote:

+1

Sent from my phone

On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
WTF?  I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this.  It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation.  

Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA.

Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things.  We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy.  Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us. 

I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word.

Solidarity,

Jon


On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work.

-justin

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR
To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>


Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks.
-Rebecca


On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rebecca,

Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv?

I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR.

-justin


On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, R M <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Justin,

Nice to meet you briefly today.

Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks Fifth Avenue.

He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did about Saturday's protests:

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-10-03_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html

http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm

We should both be in touch with these folks, right?

Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same.

Be well,
-Rebecca


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM
Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR
To: rebeccaction@gmail.com


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Workhouse PR
To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com>


Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too.


William Schwartz
917.385.5047

Connect!


On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you joking!

On Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM, "William Schwartz" <will.js1@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are now occupy wall street's PR firm. They just wrote me on twitter
> incase you want to get in touch with them?
>
> http://www.workhousepr.com/home.php
>
>
> William Schwartz
> 917.385.5047








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