From:   jemcgloin@verizon.net
Sent time:   Friday, October 07, 2011 3:33:16 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Principles of Solidarity.
 

 Most of the press hasn't even figured out that we have a Declaration of the Occupation yet.  And most of the policies being discussed are leaking right off of our protest signs if they actually tried to read them.  So I agree.  This should be a transparent process with as much input from the GA as possible.
 
 
On 10/07/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
John, I am told that the reason why the documents are not posted in the group discussion is that it could leak to the press prematurely. It is true, but I think that such policy should be revised. We should practice open source despite the problems that it entails.
Cesar

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:51 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Could you possibly post it on the website, or at least on here, so that people can read it?  Is it an updated version of the "principles of solidarity" that was on line?  We have at least five groups working on messages and it is almost impossible to find them or what they are working on.  There is a demands list on occupywallst.com but when I tried to comment it wouldn't take my comment. 
We passed a list of grievances on Thursday, and I happened to be there, but it was the first I had heard of the document.  The open source group is working on something, but I can't find them since Thursday night.  Shouldn't the open source group be available on line?
I'm glad to have almost any message to the world, but the whole point of waiting to have a message was so that everyone could have input, and even though I am on line 4 hours a day, and there two nights a week, I feel like I have very little input (not that I should have any more than anyone else). 
Is one of the principles "transparency?" 
I'm not as upset as this email might make me sound.  I love our process and I know these issues will be worked out, but talking about the issues is part of the process.  So I am just aksing that all of you messaging groups try a little harder to communicate with the rest of us and each other.
Thanks, John McG
 
On 10/02/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
No

On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:35 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

Is it on the website? 
 
 
On 10/02/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
Finalized the third iteration.  On agenda tomorrow night.

On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:30 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

Ok thats good.  What happened? 
 
 
On 10/02/11, Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
There was no demands meeting.

There was a principles of solidarity meeting.

On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:19 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

I am wondering if you guys ever met on the demands thing, and if you did what you talked about.
John
 
 
On 10/01/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

Where is the meeting?

Sent from my phone

On Oct 1, 2011 9:25 AM, "Amin Husain" <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good.  1:30

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
that would be great. can we make the meeting at 1:30?


On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not sure.  We can meet today in the afternoon before the march after 12, if you and others are free.  I could also explain how this fits into the demands discussion that is on-going and how it's evolving.


On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
when is the group's next meeting?


On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote:
The working group on principles of solidarity has the document printed to be put before the GA to discuss and reach consensus.  If time permits, that may be today.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd love to. When and where is the group that is working on demands and points of solidarity meeting?


On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug,

We should be able to modify our documents, and it would be wise to do so at this early stage. Indeed the points that you are raising are very important. I urge you to team with those interested and elaborate a modification that addresses the issues raised. 
Cesar


On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm very glad that we have this, and overall it's very good, but it's missing one big thing: there is no mention of how Wall Street created the economic crisis that destroyed millions of jobs, and how Wall Street was bailed out of its crisis by cutting vital public services! Any chance we can get that added? I realize that this list is not meant to include every grievance, but this is incredibly important and central to the damage done by Wall Street specifically, as opposed to capitalism as a whole. Frankly, we would not be occupying Liberty Park now if it weren't for the economic crisis - that's what set all this in motion. To not include it here seems like a major omission, and may make it harder to do outreach to the public sector unions that have started supporting us.

Doug


On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
Love it!


On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Drew, perhaps a link to the live stream take of the GA discussion could be posted in the Web page together with the declaration. I am very glad about finally starting to have some definition. It was a great work, and we should continue to improve the process of elaborating our documents.
Cesar

Sent from phone


 

On Sep 30, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote:











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