Sent time:   Friday, October 07, 2011 4:51:08 PM
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act

 This has always been a place to discuss policy, but I wouldn't mind if we started another listserve for policy as long as we advertised the second reguarly so people could find it.  I would still get both and have way too much email anyway.  :)
On 10/07/11, Justin Wedes<> wrote:
Is it all possible to try to limit this Listserv to logistics and planning for the camp at liberty plaza?

I so want to not turn on daily digest for this important communication tool...

Maybe we could create another Listserv for policy and longer-term ideological considerations


On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Shoq <> wrote:

> And hitting your head against the same 3rd party fantasy would have a different result?
> I am all for a 3rd party.. if you can bring 20 million people to it in time to keep the Republicans from taking the Senate (likely) and the White House (increasingly plausible).
> Right now, most analysts predict the GOP will have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate, if we don't stop them. You think things suck now? Just imagine that world. Then add a President Romney giving conservatives a 6-3 or 7-2 majority for the next 50 yearson the Supreme Court. At the rate they are going, their voting suppression tactics will be institutionalized in all 50 states, Tom Delay will have his permanent majority, and even the barest glimpses of a democracy will be done. Permanently.
> We're not in a position where long-term outcome-scenario games can be debated endlessly. These people are on the verge of controlling everything but the people in the streets, and they will use this movement to try to further deconstruct whatever unity remains on the left. And history teaches us that when they decide to do that, things get very ugly, fast. They won't discuss OWS "frustrations" as Obama did yesterday. They will simply roll the tanks. They've been wanting to since the 1940s anyway. They just didn't have the control, or the need. The existing facade of democracy was adequate. Now that the rest of the world is competitive, and all the jobs are gone, that's a hard facade to maintain any longer. But that still doesn't get us closer to "what replaces the mess they have made." A nice start would be some serious and immediate restorations of regulations that had mitigated their reckless natures in the past. Most people do NOT want revolution, as they feel it just kills the entire body and puts too many at risk. But toothless band-aids are also not worth the effort to apply. We need to find a middle ground.
> Democrats have hardly been blameless in this fiasco. We all know that. But since either they or the republicans will control the next government, we'd better decide whether we want to try and force their compliance with #OWS "catalysts" (better word than demands?), and then elect them to enact them. Otherwise, I fear, the whole world is in for an even bigger world of hurt.