From:   shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:02:02 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Occupy Wall Street Analytics
 

I agree wholeheartedly. I was commending this, but it took a lot of

courage for them to speak up and its not that easy to do at the GA.

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:31 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

>  I agree with most of this statement.  I would like to point out that the

> block was removed after a little negotiation.

>

> The writers of the Declaration were trying to say that the people that are

> Occupying Wall St are no longer divided, but some at the GA pointed out that

> the language could be interpreted as saying that the world was longer

> divided and that here was no oppression of diverse groups any more.  The

> wording was adjusted and the Declaration passed.  This is evidence that the

> voices of everyone are sought by the general assembly.

>

>

>

> On 10/08/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

> We need a Multicultural Diversity statement on the web. We are NOT all

> white middle class men, never were to begin with, not even the

> majority. CodePink has just criticized OWS for sexist policy too.

>

> We are a diverse group of international participants/activists from

> diverse backgrounds since the beginning, we still are, on the

> ground--and now that we have grown, it is increasingly imerative that

> we reflect the demographic nature of NYC, that we adapt to the influx

> of new community members and become keen on all issues of

> inclusiveness. There has been a sad lack of addressing issues of

> representation in our LANGUAGE, as well as in our media dissemination.

> The mainstream media has characterized as predominantly white, this is

> due to the lack of democratic process in the GA as well as within each

> working group-- who have ignored or simply dismissed this issue as a

> core and active part of every working group (everyone, including the

> people of color in these groups--)

>

> By thinking People of Color can be segregated into PofC working group

> can have its negative side---it can be a purely cynical response to

> problems of inclusiveness, if we allow people of color to be contained

> in an autonomous working group without involving each and every person

> in the occupation and addressing the structure of the GA at large. I

> am not interested in "delegates" of separate tribes who speak as

> "expert native informers" on issues pertaining to a particular group's

> identity--what a sad mockery. This kind of liberal de facto identity

> politics is what failed in CUNY when "ethnic studies" was created and

> then dismantled. Its a long history of separating ethnicities, or

> struggles or inquiries, i am skeptical this can bring real lasting

> transformation in social conditions. We need to include the whole

> occupation. Decenter white privilege, deconstruct racism deconstruct

> sexism and all kinds of dominant structures that play into creating

> hierarchies--ground up.

>

> I agree with Licophidion everything written below. I do appreciate the

> need for PofC working group, to discuss and address these issues of

> diversification--of course--but let's make sure we are NOT segregating

> or tokenizing people of color into separate discursive bantustans.

> This will backfire.

>

> 1. We need to make sure the democratic process on the ground allows

> underrepresented groups to come to the fore. Already, this is part

> of the process, every GA asks majority groups to speak last and allow

> others who have not spoken to speak first. This is part of the process

> needs to be disseminated widely, so everyone knows this is the policy

> of how the GA operates. If WE need to implement further structural

> changes and strategies that make sure this process is elaborated on

> every level, within each working groups.

>

> 2. Address the lack of politics of representation in our website, in

> our twitters in our media outlets. Actively campaign to reflect the

> many diverse groups that are joining forces with this occupation. And

> make sure our LANGUAGE reflects that.

>

> 3. People of Color blocked the Declaration document at the GA because

> of its language erasing centuries of oppression and lumping unequal

> issues together and had problems convincing the GA why. This is

> serious issue. Documents and statements that represent the "official"

> line of the GA, whatever it may be, must pay close attention to all

> issues of diversity and participation. I can not stress this more. If

> you erase issue of representations you have failed to be inclusive,

> you assert a white invisible leadership, by virtue of leaving it

> blank. Folks are pissed off about it and are relating their opinions

> in NPR==and all over the media because there has not been enough

> attention to this problem. It needs to be remedied by everyone.

>

>

>

> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I don't think the issue can be addressed technologically. There are

>> several reasons for this. Mobile technology, in particular, tends to

>> atomize and depersonalize individuals and individual communication. In

>> a way, it pretends there is an even playing field, which socially

>> doesn't exist. Moreover, if you are a white person, most of those with

>> whom you engage will tend to be white, so in the aggregate, you won't

>> really be increasing diversity. Having said that, yes, technology is

>> an important tool and complement for building the movement, generally

>> speaking.

>>

>> The conditions for overcoming this problem (the demographics of OWS)

>> are created, in part, by the very growth of the movement, and its

>> resonance with the aspirations and grievances of the most oppressed

>> communities.

>>

>> But, only in part.

>>

>> As others have pointed out, the history of racism and white privilege

>> in this country puts up enormous barriers to the diversification of

>> the movement. There are real, deeply ingrained and socially

>> institutionalized power relations viz white people and people of

>> color, men and women, etc., in the most progressive of groups (even in

>> personal relationships, friendships, marriages). Any approach that

>> focuses simply on individual participation will not remedy this

>> situation. People are empowered collectively. OWS itself is living

>> testimony to that. So, I would argue that the only way we are going to

>> diversify is through some sort of collective affirmative action,

>> involving face-to-face community organizing and organizational

>> outreach, led by People of Color. That, of course, is a crucial piece

>> for the PoC Working Group.

>>

>> Let me be concrete and point to a good example. I teach intro biology

>> at Medgar Evers College. My students are predominantly African

>> American, Afro-Caribbean and South Asian, mostly women, mostly older

>> working people. During my last two classes, I initiated discussion of

>> OWS. A large number had never even heard of OWS... but, most students

>> generally approved and identified with our goals. During break, a

>> number of students returned to class with copies of the OWS Journal,

>> which someone or ones had been distributing at the Franklin Ave.

>> station. That led to further discussion. And, it turns out that a good

>> number of these same students are DC 1707 and DC 37 members, which

>> creates openings for outreach efforts by the Labor group.

>>

>> This is a piece of the puzzle. Another piece is proactive efforts by

>> ALL working groups to actively recruit (rather than passively

>> accepting) People of Color into their fold. At the same time, groups

>> and OWS as a whole should proactively engage in what we used to call

>> "leadership development," which involves creating comfort zones within

>> each group, norms of operation that recognize existing power

>> relations, purposefully promoting leadership skills and knowledge,

>> standing back and encouraging initiatives, etc. All guided by the PoC

>> committee.

>>

>> To its great credit, OWS has taken a number of steps along these

>> lines. Much more needs to be done. Much is at stake.

>>

>> On Oct 8, 12:08 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> As long as the online media is mobile compatible we will be bringing in

>>> the

>>> diverse community we want... just make sure that everything is mobile

>>> compatible (which I think it is)

>>> On Oct 8, 2011 11:37 AM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> > Justine, can we please put this survey out every week?  Can we?  Can

>>> > we???

>>>

>>> > H.

>>>

>>> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Harrison Schultz

>>> > <schuh...@gmail.com>wrote:

>>>

>>> >> My pleasure crew,

>>>

>>> >> My suspicion is that there are many reasons for non-white

>>> >> participation in

>>> >> this movement, The internet has been far and a way the number one

>>> >> means of

>>> >> spreading news of this campaign, the first thing to determine will be

>>> >> non-white rates of internet usage, if these communities are not on the

>>> >> internet than they may have missed the message almost entirely.  These

>>> >> groups may not even consume as much overall media as caucasions.  The

>>> >> trick

>>> >> will be determining which channels they are already paying attention

>>> >> to.

>>> >>  Face to face outreach is may be most effective for the time being.

>>>

>>> >> I'll keep working on this,

>>>

>>> >> Harrison

>>>

>>> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> >>> Thanks Harrison for this.

>>>

>>> >>> Could someone from the PoC working group join our community relations

>>> >>> group to help working with a diverse group of local

>>> >>> residents/businesses?

>>> >>> I'm thinking specifically of the many Hispanic, African-American,

>>> >>> Asian etc

>>> >>> residents and business-owners in the area.

>>>

>>> >>> -Justin

>>>

>>> >>> Sent from my iPad

>>>

>>> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 7:38 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> >>> > I am a nonwhite person (Puerto Rican) who never fills out surveys

>>> >>> > that

>>> >>> > ask me to specify my ethnicity. There are people in the world who

>>> >>> > could give a crap abt reporting their race/ethnicity, or who deem

>>> >>> > it

>>> >>> > something to pay attention to.

>>>

>>> >>> > I am here to make a change for everyone.

>>>

>>> >>> > As Michael Jackson sang in "Man in the Mirror"

>>>

>>> >>> > (ducking now from the many stones about to be thrown)

>>>

>>> >>> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Lycophidion <lycophid...@gmail.com>

>>> >>> wrote:

>>> >>> >> I'd like to thank sister Shaista for her comments and suggest two

>>> >>> >> things. First, that the term "non-white people" might be offensive

>>> >>> >> to

>>> >>> >> folks: imagine defining people as the negative of the privileged

>>> >>> >> group. Second, as implied by Shaista, the work of the PoC Working

>>> >>> >> Group is crucial, but not enough. Their goals and efforts should

>>> >>> >> infuse every working group, every committee, and OWS, as a whole.

>>> >>> >> It

>>> >>> >> is imperative that this young movement begin to reflect the

>>> >>> >> demographics of NYC. It is imperative that the base and leadership

>>> >>> >> of

>>> >>> >> this struggle actively incorporate those who have most at stake in

>>> >>> >> its

>>> >>> >> outcome. That is the only way the Occupy movement is going to go

>>> >>> >> forward and weather the storms that lie ahead.

>>>

>>> >>> >> On Oct 8, 1:58 am, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >>> >>> THis is REALLY SAD empirical evidence of how estranged people of

>>> >>> color

>>> >>> >>> feel from this movement. Its heartbreaking and devastating.

>>>

>>> >>> >>> "The sample of non-white people in this sample is so small that I

>>> >>> doubt

>>> >>> >>> I'll get any worth while insight from it but I'll be sure to let

>>> >>> >>> everyone know if I find anything.  Several respondents

>>> >>> >>> self-responded

>>> >>> >>> with specific nationalities, which could be better way to think

>>> >>> >>> about

>>> >>> >>> diversifying this movement.  In the mean time we absolutely

>>> >>> >>> should

>>> >>> >>> make Micha's suggestion of a non-white media day(s) happen."

>>>

>>> >>> >>> Thanks for putting this at the end of your survey, just like

>>> >>> >>> "colonization" is the last sentence of the declaration. Perhaps

>>> >>> >>> it is

>>> >>> >>> because this is our main challenge, as a movement.

>>> >>> >>> Mica's suggestion for non-white dominated media day is bogus--we

>>> >>> >>> should make everyday non-white dominated media day, every day.

>>> >>> >>> That means white people should actively speak about people of

>>> >>> >>> color

>>> >>> >>> and minorities==should promote their cause in multicultural

>>> >>> >>> inclusiveness in an actively conscious way.

>>>

>>> >>> >>> Today once again, sitting in the Education and Empowerment

>>> >>> >>> working

>>> >>> >>> group--if it isn't white men dominating the meeting, then its men

>>> >>> >>> of

>>> >>> >>> color, while the women of color bicker amongst themselves

>>> >>> suspiciously

>>> >>> >>> of each other for no reason except that we feel so alienated we

>>> >>> >>> just

>>> >>> >>> try to learn the "process"

>>> >>> >>> Its getting tiresome and ridiculous.

>>>

>>> >>> >>> Comrades, our outreach into labor and community of color has been

>>> >>> >>> amazing, our diversity is a fact on the ground, but we must

>>> >>> >>> actively

>>> >>> >>> decolonize our movement without tokenism, can white people speak

>>> >>> about

>>> >>> >>> communities of color directly and speak about diversity and

>>> >>> >>> multiculturalism? Why does it have to be brown folks doing all

>>> >>> >>> the

>>> >>> >>> work? Can you please allow women and women of color to speak up,

>>> >>> >>> encourage them to speak, and take it one step further and make

>>> >>> >>> these

>>> >>> >>> issues your own--i am speaking to the people who are NOT doing

>>> >>> >>> this

>>> >>> >>> already consciously actively. This is what this occupation has to

>>> >>> >>> be

>>> >>> >>> about. Not just polls and media hype, but real transformation.

>>> >>> >>> Here

>>> >>> is

>>> >>> >>> a quote by Robin Kelley from Freedom Dreams:

>>>

>>> >>> >>> "Without new visions, we don’t know what to build, only what to

>>> >>> >>> knock

>>> >>> >>> down. We not only end up confused, rudderless, and cynical, but

>>> >>> >>> we

>>> >>> >>> forget that making a revolution is not a series of clever

>>> >>> >>> maneuvers

>>> >>> >>> and tactics, but a process that can and must transform us"

>>> >>> >>> — Robin D.G. Kelley (Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical

>>> >>> >>> Imagination)

>>>

>>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Justine

>>> >>> >>> <just...@occupywallst.org>

>>> >>> wrote:

>>> >>> >>>> Great work, ty :)

>>>

>>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Harrison Schultz <

>>> >>> schuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> Traffic to occupywallst.org continues to surge, our new high is

>>> >>> just

>>> >>> >>>>> over/under 400,000 visits in the last few days.  350,346 people

>>> >>> >>>>> visited occupywallst.org that day, 1,890 of them answered a

>>> >>> >>>>> survey

>>> >>> >>>>> that we put up on the site within the span of a few short

>>> >>> >>>>> hours.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> I can't post charts into the body of this message for some

>>> >>> >>>>> reason,

>>> >>> but

>>> >>> >>>>> as we would expect the overwhelming majority of the respondents

>>> >>> >>>>> are

>>> >>> >>>>> white educated, earning little but employed full-time,

>>> >>> >>>>> left-leaning

>>> >>> >>>>> straight guys who live in cities and describe themselves as

>>> >>> >>>>> independents rather than democratic or republican...only 37

>>> >>> >>>>> republicans filled out this survey unfortunately.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> These respondents overwhelmingly use the internet more than the

>>> >>> T.V.

>>> >>> >>>>> 74% are regularly using Youtube

>>> >>> >>>>> 67% are on regularly using Facebook

>>> >>> >>>>> 74% are not regularly using Reddit

>>> >>> >>>>> 61% are not regularly using Twitter

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> 85% are not watching Fox.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> 81% strongly support the Occupy Wall Street Protests.

>>> >>> >>>>> 74% believe that the Occupy Wall Street Protests will create

>>> >>> positive

>>> >>> >>>>> and lasting social change.

>>> >>> >>>>> 73% strongly believe that the protests will grow.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> Yet, a combined total of only 24% of these respondents have

>>> >>> >>>>> participated in these protests, which suggests that in spite of

>>> >>> >>>>> the

>>> >>> >>>>> homogeneity of the movement as it currently stands, there is

>>> >>> >>>>> much

>>> >>> >>>>> opportunity to further increase our numbers on the ground from

>>> >>> within

>>> >>> >>>>> our current base of support.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> I've heard reports from Flux of campers from who watched the

>>> >>> >>>>> livestream for so long that they wound up coming to Liberty.

>>> >>> >>>>> Definitely the next best thing to being hear.  I also noticed

>>> >>> >>>>> that

>>> >>> the

>>> >>> >>>>> livestream.com/globalrevolution website showed up 4th on the

>>> >>> >>>>> 2nd

>>> >>> page

>>> >>> >>>>> of a search for "occupy wall street"  Fortunately optimization

>>> >>> >>>>> is

>>> >>> our

>>> >>> >>>>> Comrade Zach Notes specialty and he should be able and willing

>>> >>> >>>>> to

>>> >>> help

>>> >>> >>>>> us if someone from the media team can hook him up with access

>>> >>> >>>>> to

>>> >>> the

>>> >>> >>>>> site.  I've also added a question to the survey asking if they

>>> >>> >>>>> regularly follow the protests on the livestream so we can track

>>> >>> this

>>> >>> >>>>> with subsequent surveys.  More cameras and streams couldn't

>>> >>> >>>>> hurt at

>>> >>> >>>>> all either.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> The sample of non-white people in this sample is so small that

>>> >>> >>>>> I

>>> >>> doubt

>>> >>> >>>>> I'll get any worth while insight from it but I'll be sure to

>>> >>> >>>>> let

>>> >>> >>>>> everyone know if I find anything.  Several respondents

>>> >>> self-responded

>>> >>> >>>>> with specific nationalities, which could be better way to think

>>> >>> about

>>> >>> >>>>> diversifying this movement.  In the mean time we absolutely

>>> >>> >>>>> should

>>> >>> >>>>> make Micha's suggestion of a non-white media day(s) happen.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> Response patterns for female respondents were so nearly

>>> >>> >>>>> identical

>>> >>> to

>>> >>> >>>>> the male respondents that I won't bother to indicate them -

>>> >>> >>>>> however

>>> >>> I

>>> >>> >>>>> did notice that 52% of the female respondents listen to the

>>> >>> >>>>> radio

>>> >>> as

>>> >>> >>>>> opposed to 40% of male respondents, which could be a good way

>>> >>> >>>>> to

>>> >>> start

>>> >>> >>>>> trying to reach more women.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> The numbers on the ground from this week look excellent as

>>> >>> >>>>> well.

>>> >>>  It

>>> >>> >>>>> does look like there's a real hardcore group of roughly 200-300

>>> >>> >>>>> holding it down.  There was 115% increase in the average number

>>> >>> >>>>> of

>>> >>> >>>>> people counted in the camp each morning between Monday and

>>> >>> >>>>> Friday.

>>> >>> >>>>> Let's see if the same trend happens next week or if it was just

>>> >>> >>>>> due

>>> >>> to

>>> >>> >>>>> nicer weather at the end of the week.

>>>

>>> >>> >>>>> Monday             10/3/2011      - 163

>>> >>> >>>>> Tuesday             10/4/2011     - 240

>>> >>> >>>>> Wednesday

>>>

>>> ...

>>>

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