Sent time:   Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:01:24 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Important Note

I think there's not necessarily a contradiction between what Amin and Doug are saying.  Certainly both (and all of us) agree with the Occupy Everything rap given at the GA yesterday. The Internet is one way of encouraging that, throughout NY and the country (and world). But for EACH of those occupations to be real, physical participation is crucial.
And the virtue of the Occupy Everything slogan is that eventually occupations will happen precisely in those locations at which working people can't get away from: their  jobs, their neighborhoods, their childcare centers, etc.

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From: Amin Husain <>
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Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Important Note
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 09:54:36 -0400

What I want to emphasis is not the conversation here should not occur but for us to know that they may not reach the Square where working groups and general assemblies are making decisions.  The conversations here are important; the challenge is to make them heard at the park where the direction of the movement is visible to the world and is being shaped.  If people on this list serv do not care too much about that, that's cool.

On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Doug Singsen <> wrote:

One thing to keep in mind is that, as John pointed out, not everyone can spend hours every day in the park. The listserv is a way for some of those people (which is most of the 99%) to stay in touch with each other. Even if the discussions here don't correspond to what is happening in the park, the park is not the whole movement. Most of the people we are trying to reach can't commit to spending huge amounts of time in the park. This is why I think that what really matters most about OWS is not what those of us who go to the park every day or nearly every day do, but what the millions who aren't in the park but sympathize with us do.


On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM, jason ahmadi <> wrote:
Again with the echo and repeat,

As a person who was helping with the organization before the 17th and as a person who spends most of my time in the square and gets to check email once every couple of days or so, I am totally unable to keep up with this email list.  So even though I am one of the 300 or so on this list, I can not keep up with the insane amount of emails that people disseminate on this list. 

Also I am excited to see that the aspects I am personally critical about with our movement being resolved.  Albeit, sometimes it can be frustrated on the solutions not coming immediately, but the problems do seem to get fixed.  It is amazing how good things truly come with patience. 

I am not sure how to deal with the communication on this list not reaching those in the park, but I am sure something will occur in time if we all stay committed to solutions and hold on to our patience and commitment.

Peace and Love,

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Marina Sitrin <> wrote:
Echo and repeat.

I too have sometimes seen conversations on this list that are
simultaneously happening in the Plaza, but without a direct
relationship to one another ... something to think about ...

And, sometimes there are discussions here, on the list, and they are
significantly different from the direction of a conversation in the
Plaza. Not that this is a "problem" but it does make for unclear
communication. It would be great if those of us on the list could also
be aware of the minutes and more informal live discussions in the
Plaza, so as to be in a similar place of awareness together.

And to also echo Amin's point, this list is relatively and
representationally much smaller. Again, not to try and silence anyone,
but raise awareness when we speak, who we are speaking to and with.


On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Amin Husain <> wrote:
> All,
> I want people on this google group to know that though great conversations
> are happening here, one should not rely on this forum as a mass
> dissemination outlet for those ideas.  I am told, to my surprise (and
> someone correct me if I am wrong), that there are less than 300 people on
> this google group.  That is not good.  The best way to make sure thoughts,
> observations, feedback, suggestions, proposals, etc., regarding the movement
> are disseminated and acted upon is to share them with working groups, info
> desk, and/or general assembly.  Please keep this in mind.  I have been
> trying to forward certain email threads to those that I think can benefit
> from it, like PR or info, but I am not doing it all the time and won't due
> to the lack of time.
> Amin

Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che