From:   Ryan Green <>
Sent time:   Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:10:53 PM
Subject:   SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs

Hey Martin,
   Understood - I know how discussion of Palestine and Israel can quickly turn heated.  I hear what you are saying.  The only thing I'll say is that Israel doesn't have "some" control over an entire population of people of color - the Palestinians.  They have complete and total control.  When you have to go through an Israeli checkpoint between your village and the next to visit your mother, and Israel has the power to say yes or no, that's total contol over the every day life of another person.   And it goes on from there.
My involvement with this issue makes me reluctant to link in any way with Israeli movements.  And I won't make excuses for Israelis who are still in the dark about what they're actually responsible for, as I will not make excuses for Americans who remain ignorant about the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi children and who are not out in the streets with the rest of us.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Martin Kaminer <> wrote:
I don't entirely disagree -- and I'm not sure it's worth getting into it in earnest in this forum -- but what the link below shows is attempts at cooperation by the J14 organizers with Israeli Arabs living inside and where possible outside the Green Line.  When you say that an 'entire population of people of color' is 'under [Israel's] control', they may in some ways be under the control of the Israeli government, but they are largely beyond the reach of the Israeli people.  Israeli government policies have severely curtailed the ability of an entire generation of Israelis and Palestinians to communicate at all -- in fact many young Palestinians have never seen a civilian Israeli and vice versa and it's illegal for Israelis to enter Palestinian areas.  So it's questionable as to whether one can really ding the J14 protesters for their inability to connect with Palestinians living beyond the Green Line and I'm not sure whether the phrase 'purposefully excluded' really tells the whole story... but all points well taken.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Ryan Green <> wrote:
I think what Andy means is that this movement in Israel has purposefully excluded an entire population of people of color who are under it's control. 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Charles Lenchner <> wrote:
Andy, say more about how Palestinian refugees trying to cross borders and getting shot is more similar to OWS than the tent protests in Israeli cities against the wealthy.

Are you proposing that OWS engage in border crossing tactics, or suggesting that Israelis protesting their own elites are doing something different than the (mostly white) OWS'ers are doing in New York?

My own opinion is that public square + sleeping bags/tents + demands for justice = similarity. If this is a false identification, it needs a much more thorough critique. Folks might note this interesting statement of support for Israel's tent protests, signed by the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Palestinian People’s Party – as well as the Israeli Knesset faction of Democratic Front for Peace and Equality (Hadash), comprised of The Israeli Communist Party and Tarabut-Hitabrut. Other signatories include the joint Israeli-Palestinian Alternative Information Centre, and the Palestinian Progressive Workers’ Union, Farmers’ Unions, Union of Palestinian Women, and others.


On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:45 PM, <> wrote:
These protests, while marginally (both numerically and politically) involving tiny numbers of Palestinians inside the pre-1967 green line, this was overwhelmingly a movement of colons: i.e., of racially dominant Jewish Israeli citizens.
When supporters of Palestinian rights complained that the housing/anti-inflation movement was ignoring them (akin to our POC demanding more consciousness of us), they were told: "Leave us alone."
The REAL parallel in historic Palestine for us is the re-occupation movement of May and June, when refugees tried to reclaim their land by crossing the 1948 borders.
Andy Pollack
Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition 
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Martin Kaminer <>
Subject: [september17discuss] Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:40:22 -0400

As there's been discussion about / interest in parallel protest movements in other countries here's an update on the (proportionately) massive J14 protests in Israel in August, at least as it stands at the moment. �
These protests were principally aimed at reducing housing costs and resulted in the appointment of a Prime Ministerial committee which many saw as channeling�popular pressure into a dampening/dilatory committee process whose recommendations would eventually be ignored and forgotten. �
Worth heeding lessons learned here as well as in Spain and other places.

October 9, 2011

Israel Cabinet Approves Reforms to Cut Living Costs


JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's cabinet on Sunday overwhelmingly approved an economic reform plan aimed at easing living costs in response to weeks of popular social protests.

Ministers voted 21-8 in favour of the proposals drawn up by a government-appointed panel lead by economist Manuel Trajtenberg, and submitted to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last month.

"Implementation of the report will lower the cost of living, cut taxes, boost disposable income and make housing more affordable," Netanyahu told cabinet ministers, a statement from his office said.

The plan still faces an uphill battle in parliament before some of its key provisions can be implemented.

Netanyahu had sought a vote on the plan a week ago but he could not muster enough votes from ministers in his own Likud party and in coalition partners.

Israeli media reported that Netanyahu made a deal with the conservative Yisrael Beiteinu party on more benefits for those who have recently completed their compulsory military duty and for public housing.

The plan calls for cutting the defence budget by 5 percent in 2012, while raising capital gains and corporate taxes. That would produce money needed to boost social-welfare spending without breaching fiscal targets.

The Trajtenberg committee was formed after weeks of massive public demonstrations calling for lower living costs -- particularly for fuel, food, housing and child care -- rocked Netanyahu's right-wing coalition government.

Protesters throughout the summer camped out in major cities and their activism culminated last month in one of the largest-ever demonstrations in Israel's history.

The protests along with threats of consumer boycotts led some foodmakers to drop prices on cheeses and other staples.

(Reporting by Steven Scheer; Editing by Hans-Juergen Peters)