From:   Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com>
Sent time:   Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:29:08 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster
 

Liberty Sq. is what we make of it. If someone wants to use this

occupation as a way to organize people for a particular cause...( And

ultimately address the GREATER cause of corruption and power and

effective ways to stop it, everyone should provide input and support!

If they find they can't do it at liberty sq. They are free (and

encouraged) to start or join another occupation elsewhere.

 

As a sidenote, I know this isn't subject of original thread, but as

far as issue of our security and well-being, if our "collection of

individuals" believes eventually a particular individual/individuals

are not adhering to guiding principles, if we don't have it already,

we need a system of quickly bringing it to the forefront and we have

right to expel them from occupation (via a committee or our

established voting system). And we support action with police

cooperation and our own security/policing team. This will minimize

people trying to stall/impede/kill this MOVEMENT.

 

But getting back to issue of why are other causes not represented, if

we feel that's the case, it's OUR job to get more people involved by

doing OUR OWN outreach and recruitment with other already existing

groups. Or if a group doesn't exist, start your own! Schedule

teach-in's etc. Start ORGANIZING and getting everyone to occupy

something!

 

It's ALL our job to make this happen, not just people of color committee, etc.

 

On 10/9/11, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Rob,

> Your claims on whiteness are highly problematic. The whiteness you take for

> granted, 80% occupiers is, or 90% is dead wrong. Actually a large part of

> those categorized incorrectly labelled white are spanish, arabs,

> international, diverse internationals. I don't want to discuss census and

> poll taking to disprove you, in fact in the US all arabs fall under white

> category. Actually, i feel really troubled that efforts at proper

> respresentation is so cynically described as "airbrushing" --its called

> outreach--actively sspeaking to people of color in different languages and

> also diversifying the movement in favor of plurality. BY insisting that

> whites control this movement, you can hardly speak about class until you

> address race. They are not separate spheres.

> Anyway, you provide no solutions to bring more diversity, maybe ROB you

> should come to the people of color meeting today, and help us form a way to

> remedy this.

>

>

>

> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Right now the encampment occupiers are at least 80% white. It reflects its

>> source base: the GA's I attended in August were closer to 90% white and 0%

>> black.

>>

>> It's not a tech issue. Unions and CUNY students, for example, bring

>> diversity to their protests because their source base is diverse. Their

>> program, issues and slogans speak directly to their own source base.

>>

>> OWS has not targeted racism and is not speaking specifically to people of

>> color: its program, issues and slogans have targeted not race but class

>> and

>> political structure-- banks, economic injustice and the perversion of

>> democracy in our politics. OWS hasn't even widely targeted immigration so

>> far as I can see, judging from the homemade posters at Liberty Plaza.

>>

>> Here are a few issues OWS might be able to glom onto --

>>

>> *Banks *

>> The foreclosure crisis was a disaster for the US, but it is *worse for

>> black people in America*:

>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/post_541_n_749319.html

>>

>> *The recession, jobs and health care*

>> Recession *disproportionately impacts people of color in jobs and health

>> care*

>> www.kff.org/minorityhealth/upload/7953.pdf

>>

>> *Public sector austerity*

>> Tuition is outrageous everywhere, but tuition hikes in public higher

>> education, the only low-cost option, impacts people of color

>> disproportionately: 74 percent of CUNY students are people of color.

>>

>> Public transit hikes disproportionately impact people of color:

>>

>> http://www.citylimits.org/news/articles/3970/some-see-racial-impact-from-mass-transit-funding-crisis

>> *

>> The economy*

>> Black unemployment is not just twice the rate of whites, but it rose in

>> August, while white unemployment fell:

>>

>> http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/661121/black_unemployment_hits_highest_in_27_years/

>>

>> *Development and real estate*

>> Gentrification continues to displace people of color throughout Manhattan

>> and now in Brooklyn too.

>>

>> OWS might be able to handle race without divisiveness. I hope this

>> movement

>> can be all things to all peoples and all issues. That may be possible, or

>> may not. Maybe featuring spokespersons of color will help. But you can't

>> digitally airbrush every photograph and video to put color into the 80%

>> white occupiers. OWS needs to bring more diversity in as positive a way as

>> possible. In any case, I hope OWS will keep a dynamic of positivity and

>> newness and openness.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

>>

>>> actually laughing out loud!

>>>

>>>

>>> On 10/08/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> How's this for diversity?

>>>

>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good

>>> <therealjongood@gmail.com>wrote:

>>>

>>>> Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse,

>>>> multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get

>>>> specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the

>>>> visual

>>>> art ability of a two-year-old, otherwise i'd practice what I preached

>>>> myself.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> +1

>>>>> Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the

>>>>> first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS

>>>>> muddle-headed

>>>>> and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes,

>>>>> many, many, many more...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and

>>>>>> posters that circulate-- that is the point, right?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain <

>>>>>> shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one

>>>>>>> woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization

>>>>>>> so we

>>>>>>> claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just

>>>>>>>> add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are

>>>>>>>> invited.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another

>>>>>>>> signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i

>>>>>>>> am just

>>>>>>>> giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate

>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's

>>>>>>>> please

>>>>>>>> please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong

>>>>>>>> polemic with

>>>>>>>> some people of color who were complaining about young white

>>>>>>>> protesters who

>>>>>>>> wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were

>>>>>>>> complaining that

>>>>>>>> immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put

>>>>>>>> people of

>>>>>>>> color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police

>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>> attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous

>>>>>>>> white youth

>>>>>>>> who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the

>>>>>>>> fuck

>>>>>>>> up.

>>>>>>>> Thanks,

>>>>>>>> Shaista

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what

>>>>>>>>> kind

>>>>>>>>> of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract

>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>> supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out

>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>> welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations

>>>>>>>>> but only

>>>>>>>>> of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as

>>>>>>>>> satire

>>>>>>>>> of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse

>>>>>>>>> customers

>>>>>>>>> have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials

>>>>>>>>> for years

>>>>>>>>> now.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that

>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>> was originally a panel in Eric Drooker <http://www.drooker.com/>'s

>>>>>>>>> wordless graphic novel Blood

>>>>>>>>> Song<http://www.drooker.com/books/bloodsong.html>.

>>>>>>>>> It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book

>>>>>>>>> and who is

>>>>>>>>> pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The

>>>>>>>>> art was

>>>>>>>>> not created to represent our protest.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> heart

>>>>>>>>> Thadeaus

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain <

>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in

>>>>>>>>>> addressing

>>>>>>>>>> this issue.. thank you

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <

>>>>>>>>>> matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina

>>>>>>>>>>> poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Matt

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <

>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those

>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful

>>>>>>>>>>>> people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole

>>>>>>>>>>>> lives, that

>>>>>>>>>>>> this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us

>>>>>>>>>>>> that is is

>>>>>>>>>>>> not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation

>>>>>>>>>>>> in our

>>>>>>>>>>>> "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what

>>>>>>>>>>>> demarcates

>>>>>>>>>>>> us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall

>>>>>>>>>>>> St.--we are

>>>>>>>>>>>> multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know

>>>>>>>>>>>> the IDF

>>>>>>>>>>>> across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also

>>>>>>>>>>>> up in arms

>>>>>>>>>>>> against wall street. What differentiates us is our

>>>>>>>>>>>> MULTICULTURALISM.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the

>>>>>>>>>>>> neo-fascist hatred

>>>>>>>>>>>> for white people who stand in arms with people of color and

>>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. All

>>>>>>>>>>>> of you white comrades in this movement stand together with

>>>>>>>>>>>> historically

>>>>>>>>>>>> oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this

>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously in love

>>>>>>>>>>>> and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language

>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to

>>>>>>>>>>>> reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy

>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive and

>>>>>>>>>>>> sophisticated.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,

>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaista

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <

>>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not hurt us.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <

>>>>>>>>>>>>> shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one poster

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people and if there

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about images of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERHAPS and now im

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bet you it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks.. Thanks!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, here...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this would be an awesome sticker as well!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . .

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY--

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends & Fellow Occupiers,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streets!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is our time.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Eric

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downed

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.GStrike.org <http://www.gstrike.org/>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Rob Hollander

>>>>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development

>>>>> http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/

>>>>> 622 E 11, #10

>>>>> NYC, 10009

>>>>> 212-228-6152 <http://tel:212-228-6152>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Rob Hollander

>> Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development

>> http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/

>> 622 E 11, #10

>> NYC, 10009

>> 212-228-6152

>>

>>

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