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|Subject:||Re: Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough|
Please come to the demands group at 2pm on sunday. All sides must be
From: jemcgloin <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: september17 <email@example.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand
is Big Enough
I know about the Declaration, but I think we should publicize it more
since many people don't seem to know it. But a set of principles is
different from a set of grievances. Although maybe negative demands is
not so different.
On 10/10/11, gail zawacki<firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:John, is
this what you are looking for?
the important part is at the end: these grievances are not
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, <email@example.com> wrote:
I like positive love filled sweep of this piece. I agree with most of
it. But I do think we need to communicate something more concrete to
the 99%. People who are out of work and losing their house are not
interested in grand visions of a possible world. They want solutions
to their problems. It may be that the mere existance of OWS and a big
message will help, but I think we can oppose things that are obviously
harmful. I personaly am not asking anyone to give up "rational self
interest." I am only asking them to give up greed, which is
irrational. Far sighted rational self interested saves the people and
the environment and the economy all at the same time. The rational
part means you have to figure it out and make it work though.
We could start be putting forth a set of principles, that would
communicate to the world the general direction that we want to go.
There was a group working on such a thing but I don't know where to
find them. Demands don't always have to be in the positive either.
End slavery is a perfectly reasonable demand. Like I said I like the
article, but many in the 99% need real help right now.
On 10/10/11, gail zawacki<firstname.lastname@example.org>
"Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands,
but how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less
than the more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand
is big enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies:
tax the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end
the wars, regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps,
they aren't quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What
needs attention is something deeper: the power structures, ideologies,
and institutions that prevented these steps from being taken years ago;
indeed, that made these steps even necessary."
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