From:   rob hollander <>
Sent time:   Monday, October 10, 2011 9:43:47 PM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] Excellent essay on OWS: No Demand is Big Enough

Great idea, grim. Then OWS will be a source of reliable information for everyone regardless of ideology or political orientation. It lends legitimacy to the movement and focuses on the problems, which are indisputable, rather than on certain demands which may be disputed.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:47 PM, grimwomyn <> wrote:
I would like to add for the tweeters, tumblrs, and other internet
promoters should be forwarding as much information about the issues we
face from sources outside the movement if possible...
is an independent outfit that has a lot of info on their pages... and
the regular press... nytimes washington post, the like actually have
articles that talk about the wealth imbalance (or whatever you want to
put out there)

Bring the conversation to actual issues and facts abt the foundations
of why we are all here.... focus the conversation on that and we
should be great.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:38 PM, rob hollander <> wrote:
> Whatever the reason for no demands, it has worked well. People across the
> nation understand the issues being addressed by OWS without being it spelled
> out to them. And since they themselves don't know enough to determine the
> best solution, there's nothing gained by telling them any one solution.
> The message is the imbalance in our governance. Whether that is cashed out
> as impossible idealism or level-headed pragmatic measures, the direction is
> clear and broad and principled.
> And it's not, as the Tea Party was, directed at a particular elected
> official, or created as a response to a particular elected official. In that
> sense, it is much, much larger than the Tea Party and much more principled.
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM, gail zawacki <> wrote:
>> "Occupy Wall Street has been criticized for its lack of clear demands, but
>> how do we issue demands, when what we really want is nothing less than the
>> more beautiful world our hearts tell us is possible? No demand is big
>> enough. We could make lists of demands for new public policies: tax the
>> wealthy, raise the minimum wage, protect the environment, end the wars,
>> regulate the banks. While we know these are positive steps, they aren't
>> quite what motivated people to occupy Wall Street. What needs attention is
>> something deeper: the power structures, ideologies, and institutions that
>> prevented these steps from being taken years ago; indeed, that made these
>> steps even necessary."
> --
> Rob Hollander
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Rob Hollander
Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development
622 E 11, #10
NYC, 10009