From:   guindave@aol.com
Sent time:   Monday, October 10, 2011 10:45:00 PM
To:   september17@googlegroups.com
Subject:   Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase
 

Even thought it was orginally my suggestion on secound thought you are

right

 

-----Original Message-----

From: jemcgloin <jemcgloin@verizon.net>

To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 12:04 am

Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase

 

I have to agree that you will get trapped arrested if you stage any

kind of protest in an indoor atrium, especially that one. 

 

 

 

On 10/10/11, Will Gauss&lt;willgauss@gmail.com&gt; wrote:No, veto.

 

Indoor spaces are prime "arrest me" territory.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, guindave@aol.com wrote:

 

&gt; Word Financial Mall at

&gt; 25 Liberty square

&gt; This is great because myral lynch has an office in here its also

indoors

&gt;

&gt;

&gt; -----Original Message-----

&gt; From: Will Gauss &lt;willgauss@gmail.com&gt;

&gt; To: september17 &lt;september17@googlegroups.com&gt;

&gt; Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45 pm

&gt; Subject: Re: [september17discuss] the next phase

&gt;

&gt; Take Foley Square as a new occupation, establish a shuttle march

back and forth between then.

&gt;

&gt; Sent from my iPhone

&gt;

&gt; On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:10 PM, grimwomyn &lt;grimwomyn@gmail.com&gt;

wrote:

&gt;

&gt;&gt; ok-- can added to this be the dispersion technique?

&gt;

http://my.firedoglake.com/wagingnonviolence/2011/09/15/for-occupywallstreet-dispersion-is-part-of-the-plan/

&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt; "There are worse things than not getting to have another large

public

&gt;&gt; protest in the streets of New York that accomplishes little.

It has

&gt;&gt; been done before. According to New York City law, permits are

&gt;&gt; necessary for groups of more than 20 to gather legally in

public

&gt;&gt; parks—so why not gather in groups of 19? Why not conduct

small, legal,

&gt;&gt; and still powerful actions like those that #occupywallstreet

activists

&gt;&gt; have been conducting throughout this week, such as yoga

classes where

&gt;&gt; Wall meets Broad and declaring guerrilla free-speech zones

with free

&gt;&gt; wireless internet access? What if this were happening on every

corner

&gt;&gt; in the city, for weeks at a time?

&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt; These days, nobody is more masterful with dispersion tactics

than

&gt;&gt; those behind the Jasmine Revolution in China. Working in an

&gt;&gt; environment of extreme, ruthless oppression, they’ve learned

to be

&gt;&gt; very creative. Their signature move is the so-called

“strolling”

&gt;&gt; protest: large numbers of people gather at a public place,

designated

&gt;&gt; over the internet, and walk around innocently, looking up at

the

&gt;&gt; buildings and ignoring each other. Obviously, there’s a

protest

&gt;&gt; happening, because there’s a huge crowd of people in one

place, and a

&gt;&gt; phalanx of police are watching. But how do you distinguish a

protester

&gt;&gt; from a bystander? You don’t. You can’t, really. You’ve

created a

&gt;&gt; disruption, but no targets, and no actual illegality.

Meanwhile,

&gt;&gt; people become less afraid to resist when they know that others

are

&gt;&gt; with them."

&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt; Activities can be planned, people are inconveniencing the

bank, it

&gt;&gt; would be safer, I can't stomach 13 yr olds getting arrested

again. The

&gt;&gt; NYPD has proven themselves to be mean. There should be a softer

&gt;&gt; approach... and it will bring more sympathy to the movement if

it is

&gt;&gt; peaceful action.

&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt; Dancing on bank lawns in the suburbs, card games in front of

chase....

&gt;&gt; peaceful.....

&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt; On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, MAd Hatter

&gt; &lt;progressivechange@gmail.com&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt; Totally Agree.... #occupythebanks and lets get in the

streets this

&gt; week.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; As of now, there are 3 public meeting points for Saturday.

 Please

&gt; add

&gt;&gt;&gt; others that I may have missed. Or form an affinity group

and go to a

&gt;&gt;&gt; bank in the morning! Bring Cameras, do press, and ask for

&gt;&gt;&gt; supporters......

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; 11am March on Banks-- from Zucotti and probably (Bowling

Green)

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; 1pm-2pm Students Meet up at Washington Square Park (visit

banks

&gt; from there)

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; 5:00pm Take Times Square Mass Convergence

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; Here is the call to action from the October 15th Working

group. Let's

&gt;&gt;&gt; make Saturday something different.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; Occupy Wall Street October 15th Call to Action Against

Banks.

&gt;&gt;&gt; --------------------------------------

&gt;&gt;&gt; The time has come to fight the banks.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; We call on fellow occupiers and those who stand in

solidarity to join

&gt;&gt;&gt; us in moving from protest to resistance

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks take our homes.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks rob students of our future.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks destroy the environment.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks fund the misery of war.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; No longer will banks cause massive unemployment.

&gt;&gt;&gt; And no longer will banks create and profit from economic

crisis

&gt;&gt;&gt; without a struggle.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; The political system has been corrupted and taken over by

Wall

&gt; Street.

&gt;&gt;&gt; The banks have destroyed our economy and captured our

democracy.

&gt;&gt;&gt; Occupy Wall Street is a part of a global movement. On

Oct. 15th and

&gt;&gt;&gt; beyond, we will take our message directly to the banks.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; This saturday, visit your local Bank of America, Wells

Fargo, or

&gt; Chase

&gt;&gt;&gt; and let them know, we will not allow business as usual.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; We.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; Will.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; Occupy.

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; Everywhere

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos

&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;beka@notanalternative.net&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in

Zuccotti Park

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; indefinitely:

&gt;

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/10/10/bloomberg-occupy-wall-street-can-stay-indefinitely/

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a

picnic.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m

afraid of is that

&gt; we will

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; someday just go home and then we will meet once a year

drinking

&gt; beer and

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had

here. Promise

&gt; ourselves

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that this will not be the case.”

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but

we're in this

&gt; for the

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be

presented quickly

&gt; to make

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; us go away. And so there will be moments where our

presence is no

&gt; longer an

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is

normalized and

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; integrated.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It's in those moments that we have to push the

envelop, pry open

&gt; the space

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to

destabalize

&gt; but

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new

"normal"

&gt; then we do

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it again, we push further.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain

and the terms

&gt; of the

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; game. I hope that we can get information out as soon

as possible

&gt; about ways

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to plug into the international day of action, this

Saturday October

&gt; 15. And

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we continue to expand and take new space and

spread and lead

&gt; the way.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; xob

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; --

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; New:

&gt;

http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practice-with-not-an-alternative/

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Not An Alternative

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; http://notanalternative.com

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt;

&gt;

&gt;

 

 

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