From:   David DeGraw <>
Sent time:   Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:55:10 AM
Subject:   Re: [september17discuss] the next phase OccupyBronx

think we need to go into a deeply impoverished area in the Bronx. The

bronx has the highest poverty rate in NYC, about 30%. we go there, the

media comes with us. forces coverage, major spark OccupyBronx



On 10/11/2011 8:02 AM, Carwil Bjork-James wrote:

> A couple thoughts on next steps:


> 1. A twin space, soon. Zuccotti Park is just plain crowded, and

> doesn't have a ton of room for new campers. A second, stable-ish,

> perhaps POPS, location in Lower Manhattan could provide additional

> room for people to be near Wall Street. This would facilitate mass

> actions in the financial district while growing the movement.


> 2. Mass actions in the financial district. Use your own imagination.


> 3. Holding a space that is more a place of gathering than a launchpad

> for confrontation. Weekly (for now) use of Washington Square could

> build to that. So could some kind of plaza occupation across Brooklyn,

> Harlem, Washington Heights, and the rest of the outer boroughs. It's

> yet to be seen how intense the police response will be in such places.

> In all cases, an easy flow between regular events, continuous

> presence, and full-on occupation and transformation can be played

> with.


> 3a. At some point, one location will be the first public park (as

> opposed to POPS) to be held. We should focus as much OWS energy as

> possible on maintaining it and setting the kind of "new normal" Beka

> is talking about. My guess is the first possibility will take the form

> of #3, not the form of #1, but I'd love to be surprised at Battery

> Park or Foley Square.


> 4. The constant circulation of people through Zuccotti is accumulating

> projects (greywater, printing, a spiritual gathering place). I'd love

> to see this also happening in a permanently held place: a warehouse,

> public space of a park, a student center, a union hall, etc. As winter

> comes, the need for physically warm spaces shouldn't mean a retreat to

> less space transformation, but to the hive-for-occupation conversion

> of friendly or occupied buildings.


> 4a. For those of us with access to buildings, but not control over

> them (I'm thinking universities for the moment), we can start by

> turning these places into hives of activity for occupiers and only

> later initiate formal occupations. I'm thinking about numerous ongoing

> "conferences" that actually have "workshops" that do work for the

> movement: printing, designing, building, training, and by-the-by

> keeping people warm. As always, a critical mass at such a place could

> hope to hold the building. But the priority (from my perspective) is

> not to make demands with a closed occupation, but to do collective

> work with an open one.


> 5. Assuming a critical mass and a regional convergence on NYC,

> occupying symbolically powerful public spaces. Do people know that

> 1,000+ artists occupied the Met during the 1970 "student" strike

> against the invasion of Cambodia? Federal Hall, the site of the first

> US Congress is on Wall Street. Wall Street itself. Downtown. Midtown.


> Just some thoughts,

> Carwil


> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM, beka economopoulos

> <> wrote:


>> Today Bloomberg announced that we could stay in Zuccotti Park

>> indefinitely:

>> And so we went from being an occupation to becoming a picnic.

>> Just yesterday Zizek warned “The only thing I’m afraid of is that we will

>> someday just go home and then we will meet once a year drinking beer and

>> nostalgically remembering what a nice time we had here. Promise ourselves

>> that this will not be the case.”

>> Of course, it's nice to have some breathing room, but we're in this for the

>> long haul. There are no "solutions" that can be presented quickly to make

>> us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an

>> uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and

>> integrated.

>> It's in those moments that we have to push the envelop, pry open the space

>> of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize but

>> maintain support and momentum. And when that's the new "normal" then we do

>> it again, we push further.

>> That's how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the

>> game. I hope that we can get information out as soon as possible about ways

>> to plug into the international day of action, this Saturday October 15. And

>> that we continue to expand and take new space and spread and lead the way.

>> xob


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